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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:35 pm 
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(high school - yes, you can lol if you want)

anyway, we met about 2 or 3 weeks ago and hit off great.
she always laughs at my jokes, and talks comfortably.
many many IOIs
like patting a chair for me to come sit next to her, had lunch with her (even though some friends came along), we were at a friend's house and there was a flower Hawaiian necklace and she put it on me and said "you got laid", smiles, laughs, etc. first time she texted me "hey:)" and i did FTC and said "oh what bad timing :) about to eat, i'll call you laterz" and we really hit it off 45 minute convo getting to know each other and planned lunch the next day or so.
i live 2-3 miles from her so one time on my daily workout run, i actually ran to her house and we chilled and she brought me water and hung out with some friends that were already there. met her parents that day too. then this saturday me and my wing planned to meet her and her friend at the mall, but i guess they didnt realize it was suppose to be us 4 hanging out so they brought like 4 of their own friends! no biggy, so me and my friend left them and did our own thing while they did theirs. then that night there was a party and all of my friends and her friends went and i danced with her as well as other girls that night, good times.

other notes include that im a major cool guy, well dressed, confident, im good friends with all her friends, im a leader of my guy friends, handsome, athletic, hobbies include art, dance, music, etc.

then, that night of the party, i lead my tired group of friends into the back room to rest, and then her and her friends came looking for us and we all sat for a 3 minutes or so, then people started leaving til it was just us 2, me and the girl. and i was so you know why were here joking fun voice but little serious, blah blah, and she was like hmm idk yet, and i joked oh heartbreaker :P and she said no no , just not yet, which was understandable so i said alright lets go back and dance, and she said she was way too tired so i said alright lets just relax so we did a minute or so til her friend cam back and took her to the dance floor, then my friend returned to the back room and we chatted for 15 minutes or so, then i went back and danced with her some more. so i thought it was all fine and i just need more time.

then today i talked to her best friend and i was like so how should i handle this? and she was like just dont be so controlling, give her some space, and get to know her better. which i didnt expect at all, controlling? not enough space? i rarely text her, not more then 15 text messages have been exchanged and any communication has been through phone or inperson. and i dont see how im controlling cept the small thing was she danced with me 90% of the night.

before i knew i was "controlling, and need to give her more space" i already asked her this morning "so are you not gonna be home all day today?" implying that i was gonna stop by. my plan was to pick her up and have a picnic in my efforts to get to know her better. she hasnt replied since i sent that (4 hours).

i can pick up almost any girl i please, but this one i care about and want a relationship not a pick up - so please kind sirs, what do you think? :)


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:59 am 
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I'm no expert PUA but the possibilities that seem most probable to me are that she has a personal problem (bad past experience, family), she wants to be just freinds, doesn't want to be just another girl you picked up. You should come to a better conclusion about that then most here.
As for your game it lacks certain traits but at high school its okay.
The best way to analys the situation is by putting your self into her position of what you know.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:42 pm 
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then today i talked to her best friend and i was like so how should i handle this?
this is where you blew it with your target. come on man, talking to her best friend asking for advice? you think she wont call her friend right away like "OMG LOL RIGHT JUST ASKED ME HOW TO GET YOU OLOLOL HES SO INTO YOUUUUU"? even if you used it as a tactic its the worst thing to do. (I did this in high school too :P but i never knew about the seduction community back then, sadly).

About the party: did you kino enough? I think you maybe seemed to much intrigued by her, you have oneiteis and its showing probably. In high school, things are diffrent and you still might have a chance, but I would start 'ignoring' her. or at least not showing that much interest, just reply to her texts but not too much...try to make her chase you, if you manage to do that, you can still land her.

Good luck getting out of the friendszone mate


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Haha, I know I know. I was never gonna take the friend’s advice seriously anyway, because that’s what got me in this predicament anyway. But yeah, im in the “ignoring” stage, and making her chase me AGAIN. Like I did the first couple of times we met. And the friend I talked to is a close friend of mine, she’s like the girl version of my guy friends haha so it wasn’t that bad of an “OMGGG HE ASKED ABOUT YOU” haha. I mean I still think I have this in the bag (just because of the confident personality im suppose to portray) and im independent so I can live without her (aka showing ability to walk away). I don’t think im in any way in the friendship zone, so that’s a major positive. She just hasn’t met someone as awesome as me and is not used to it yet ;P (all PUAs that gets a flaker, tell yourself that!)
Some side notes: I seldom text her because I DON’T WANT TO BE HER FRIEND :P any communication is through phone or in person which is much more boyfriend material than constant text. Other notes include that she waves or hollas at me first, so its all her chasing me for now. Oh and the party had lots of kino, she was grinding on me all night. She says shes an awkard person (looking for qualifier) and cant dance, but apparently made an exception for me. So that went well
Thanks guys, keep em coming with the great insight.


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Wow I typed a whole essay but my computer shut off ( pissed off)

Here's to make it short.

Probably has buyer's remorse, she's not sure about you, or you were temporary.

Also, escalate the kino if she's throwing you shotgun iois.

If she hasn't responded for 4 hours, that isn't something to worry about.

I've gone days w/o getting responses from girls who like me.

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thanks Bad,
but yeah i was overreacting, (total AFC mood) because she was grounded from her phone! LOL thats why always be positive.

anyway, we hung out last night with 3 of my friends and 6 of hers, and played charades and messed around.

the only im worried about it the FRIENDSHIP zone. i could care less if she hates me or is mad or me or some dumb stuff, because i can just drop her. but to be "friends" and have casually hangout is getting aggravating. we both know something is there, but haven't had isolation to express it, we're both people magnet >_> anyway things are looking good.


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really, you're only making excuses for yourself not to hang out with her one on one because you could easily tell her something like "just you and me, tonight, movie at 10, im getting a bit bored with the large gatherings"

fuck that you are people magnets, isolate her

just do it if you dont want to drop her yet.


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I agree that it was a big mistake talking to the girl's friend. Girls talk and she more than likely told her about your conversation. This could either work to your advantage or your detriment. Proceed carefully.

I'm a noob to PUA so I can't give any expert opinion but let me at least tell you something about my past mistakes though.
I've been stuck in the friend-zone over and over in my past because I didn't build attraction and I didn't work the kino. Even if you're not only into her sexually you still need to have that sprinkled on your interactions or she'll get used to your relationship being purely "innocent."

So yeah, IMO keep building attraction and kino escalate. Pay attention to her comfort levels though so you don't accidentally rush it in your haste and turn her off.

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alright alright
another left field one.
so like ive said, we started out GREAT, shot gun IOIs and lots of chasing.
then ever since that night at the first party its been different.
at that party was tons of kino, grinding, and whatnot.

then these past days weve hung out (again with people) have been terrible.
no eye contact, she avoids me pretty much, sure casual talk when we talk as a group. we've exchanged direct questions to eachother, but nothing more then trivial like "oh you hung out with your big brother all day" - "yepp, bonding time" blah blah.

thennn! we it was 6 of us in a 2 door sport car. my guy friend driver up front, one of her friends in shot gun. and me and my guy friend in back, and her and her girl friend in back. and of course squished in, she sat in my friend's lap -__-. so the back seat was. me, girlfriend, friend, and THE girl on top of friend. and she didnt even put her legs up on my lap (we were perpendicular) so pretty much avoiding kino. i gave lots of opening body language for a hug or atleast hand on hand thing. but no compliance (but atleast i didnt make it too obvious or else itd look like rejection).

and sooo many times i thought about isolation, ive planned this weeks ago. but either she is with friends or family. and with evidence from above ^, it is as if the first 2 weeks meant nothing. The little smiles when we saw each other, and the great conversations. Other such situations are like when we are on the couches and we would never sit by eachother. I’m trying to do the ignore thing but its not working. She is totally non compliant now, and I’m “just another person”.
The plan for isolation is to pick her house and take her on a picnic because we live near eachother on a scenic route. She will either be busy with friends, busy with family, grounded, or plainly doesn’t want to go because we’re apparently not attracting anymore.
What do you guys think? Her effort to resist me or true dislike?
And by the way, me and my friends game very hard. All great alpha males who have great fun. And he knows I want her, so he is not gaming on her at all. But that was the lap she sat in and the car she admired >_>


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It is a distinct possibility that since its high school you got shit talked by her friends and she no longer finds you attractive.


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her friends love me, for the most part ;) but i definitely know what you mean, word up.


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thanks Bad,
but yeah i was overreacting, (total AFC mood) because she was grounded from her phone! LOL thats why always be positive.

anyway, we hung out last night with 3 of my friends and 6 of hers, and played charades and messed around.

the only im worried about it the FRIENDSHIP zone. i could care less if she hates me or is mad or me or some dumb stuff, because i can just drop her. but to be "friends" and have casually hangout is getting aggravating. we both know something is there, but haven't had isolation to express it, we're both people magnet >_> anyway things are looking good.
I'd rather be enemies with a girl rather than be in the "friend's zone" while I like her.

Same thing I say to this girl that I love but she just doesn't like me (I've already fucked it up while I was an AFC and now I'm somewhat getting her back now that I'm good at game)

I tell her "just find a boyfriend already so I can easily forget about you."

Aces has a good point LOL

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really, you're only making excuses for yourself not to hang out with her one on one because you could easily tell her something like "just you and me, tonight, movie at 10, im getting a bit bored with the large gatherings"

fuck that you are people magnets, isolate her

just do it if you dont want to drop her yet.
No, this is a bad approach.

Tell her "Hey you should come chill with me I'm going to hang out with some buddies at the spa (or w/e)" and then, when she shows up just say "oh my buddies had plans" and boom there you go you're isolated and your value hasn't decreased by taking time out of YOUR day to hang out with her.

Actually, tell her your buddies are AT the spa, but they went quick to McDonalds or w/e to get something to eat. (something of the sort) [bullshit baffles brains]

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haha oh badolzen, we would be good friends, i like your mentality.
but anyway, i guessed we both dropped eachother. i had an epiphany at church and solved out the whole problem in my head haha.
the problem was i CARED too much. and wasnt acting myself "oh hope she laughs at this next joke - i hope she likes my outfit today" and everything went downhill.
but then while i was in church, thinking about her, i thought "WHAT THE HELL?? howd this girl get into my head at church! i need to stop caring so much!" so then i did.
so i dont care if she text, call, ioi, or anything. back to my old joking awesome self.
and that night she had the whole "im confused - feel like jsut friends now - i still really like you as a friend" crap and i was totally cool about it "haha alright tell me whats on your mind, haha i hateee you now (joke), haha of course we can be friends" and she said "im sorry :/" and i said "haha no im sorry :) dont be so dramatic" and everything was smooth. already back to other gaming. but shes a fun one, so ill keep as a side project. any ideas besides being my awesome self and over time making her attracted to me while im with other women?? :P
hehe cheers, my friends.


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You're getting dangerously close to getting LJBF'd. Everytime I hear a highschool report it reminds me of all my missed opportunities, and had I not been such an AFC back then, I would have at least been aware of those golden opportunities :)

Anyway, I think high schoolers don't realize until it's too late, that they are walking around every day in a mind-field of sex. All this hanging out and chillin and open/unguarded throwing around of IOIs from the girls, paper-thin bitch-shields, etc...

All you have to do is PULL THE TRIGGER! :o
KINO, ISOLATE, KINO SOME MORE, and BANG!

Who's with me?! :D


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