Hey guys, i no this post doesnt really belong here but, well i cant post on the general discussion yet lol

i just had a quick thought, the whole wussy and being a man thing, made famous by David D.

sure i agree with alot of it, i agree with not letting a gal walk all over you ect
however i do beleive that some people may take things too far on the whole being a man.
i remember back in my AFC days, i met a girl at a club, we ended up making out on the dancefloor. we wer talking at the bar for a bit when she told me that she was worried cuz all of her friends had left her and scenes that shed never been to the clb before, she doesnt no where to find them. so i offered to stay with her until she found her friends, we walked around the club for a bit talking until shed found her friends who had been looking for her. and str8 away she started telling her friends about how id helped her find them and how nice i was and how much of a gentlemen ect

so from doing this id had a very good response from the whole group. i do beleive being a man and not letting people walk all over you is important, however i also beleive in manners and i think many girls will respect you if you have them. i.e on a date hold the door open, if its cold give her your jacket ect. just the basics really nothing drastic. also if you have good manners but keep up the being a man thing and banter with her and stuff, i think that could also be a good form of push pull, like the cocky fun playful guy whos also polite at heart i think a girl would pick up on that.

so i think some newbie advice here (if you disagree please say why, hell wer all learning ) is too be a man, in the case wer you dont let a girl take you for granted, you show her your confident and unnafected and that you have abundance, but your also well mannered and respectful

happy sarging boys

yeah good call buddy. I mostly agree with that. Although there is a fine line between gentleman and being an easy-to-get AFC.

I think it depends alot on the girl as well. For example with an HB 5-7 being a little nicer may be good (although certainly not a pushover), whereas with an HB 7+ she is going to be used to guys flaunting over her and "being nice". you are going to have to be different than all of them to grab her interest.

But as a generall rule, I don't think that nice guys finish last, weak guys finish last.

But I am new too, just my opinion!

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To be honest, I think that the whole dick thing is taken too far in these online seduction tutorials.

Just be centered in your inner self. For example, if a girl asked for half of a man's chocolate bar, there's a huge chance he wouldn't hesitate as she's attractive. But, if that same man's friend asked him he'd give them a flat out no. If he was being a dick to his friend he'd tell his friend to "____ die". The first and third examples don't work since he's not being himself, he's trying to be something he's not. When you were in the club, think about it this way.. If your friend had asked you the same question, you would have helped him right? Now, I can't tell you whether your mind was thinking "omg omg she hot help her be nice" (remember girls are like radars for what your thinking) but it sounds like with a few drinks and having the boost of confidence from making out, this probably wasn't all of the case.

But remember. The fact that you are asking a question like this in this forum means you aren't a PUA yet. But things take practice. It's the same as Buddhism, really.

Take a look at people who get a lot of attention from girls. They aren't necessarily dicks at all, they just don't treat women like they are superior or inferior, they're one of the friends. The only difference is that if they're attracted to a girl they flirt and make little jokes, in a way that is in their nature. Teasing and flirting IS in our nature, even if it's hidden. That's why there's naturals that have no idea even what seduction is.

Guys may seem like dicks to women, sure, but again ask yourself.. what if it was one of the guys? Are you saying your friends don't ever pick on each other in good nature?

Just practice a lot until you have absolutely no anxiety left and can treat women just like you'd treat a relative (maybe a hot cousin). Remember, it's not an issue of good and evil, it's about being yourself.

If you read DavidD's stuff on being a man, you also then probably read or heard him say that in his dates he's the perfect gentlemen. Opens doors, walks on the street side, etc. The effect of this is re-inforced because you don't always do it. You don't always bend and accept. You do it when you feel like it. There is a way to be a gentelmen, there is a way to compliment a women on her looks, etc.

The guideline to 'not be nice' is there to steer people away from AFC ways. It's like when you want someone to quit drinking. You won't tell him 'sure have just one or two drinks a night'. You will tell him 'NO drinks!'. Once he's sober, he can enjoy a drink from time to time without going berserk.

Consider PUA material as the Betty Ford center for wussy. Once you cured your inner wuss you can do what you want, you'll have the right frame for it.

I'm new to this site but I'm an aspiring PUA

I've read David D's stuff and as far as being a wuss, he's dead on. I didn't really get successful with women until I moved beyond Mr. Nice guy, took charge and stopped being a wuss. I totally calibrated with my manhood.

I remember a coworker of mine called me an asshole on one occassion because of something I'd done and a bastard on another. She later confided in me that she liked it and it was a total turn on that I wasn't accepting her crap. The key is to really find a happy medium where you're generating attraction from women, but not overdoing it and coming off too rough. But I have to come out as an advocate and say David D's anti-wuss theory works. You just have to know how to use it and when. The latter will take lots of practice.

thanks for the replies guys much appreciated as always
(btw if anyone knows why im not getting e-mails telling me when ppl have replied let me no pls lol)

David D's theory is gold and it works, i love the fact that its possibly the simplest methods to stop being and AFC. i know that im no PUA yet but hell im not stopping until i am haha

Im a bit new here and I love David Ds work.
My opinion is that you can open doors for women and give them your jacket as long as its coming from a place of authenticity. Women have finely tuned receptors that tell them when a guy is trying to please them to get with them. And if you giving her your jacket because you think its one of the things that help you get with her then chances are she probably sensed this. However if you give her your jacket thinkin "hey its cold ....heres my jacket... im the man i can take it" and meant it she would pick it up and respect you for it.