Hey guys.. I've been reading and studying the art of being a PUA for abotu a year. I'm still a beginner, but theres something that I feel really insecure about attempting. I think i'll come off as cheesy or creepy if i go up to girls and start asking them deep questions before i introduce myself to them. For example, "i can't go up to a girl at a club and be like "what if my friend is housing with four girls, if you were his girlfriend would you get pissed. (things along these lines). .. Apart of me doesn't understand how that can be seductive. PUAs keep on suggesting openers like this so i know it must work depending on how you deliver it. SO WHATS THE BEST WAY TO DELIVER INDIRECT OPENERS. Also, honestly, if a hot girl is at a club, trying to have fun with her friends, i really don't think she'd give a shit on whats on ur mind. regardless how intellectual or smart you come off as. unless your some famous celebrity or billionaire or something.. I know that theres a major part of the game i don't understand beacuse people keep on pitching pick up lines like this all the time.

You don't have to go indirect.

Schools that teach indirect openers is simply to avoid the bitch shield. Go under radar. It's not ment to be seductive in anyway. It's ment to convey that you are a social guy and don't have an interest in your target. The indirect openeer is ment for her to start chasing you.

Again, the indirect opener is only to get talking to the group or to the girl. Once you are there DHV, tease, neg, whatever to gain some attraction. Canned indirect openers are just ment to be training wheels to get people started.

Most will say that the opener is not important. The words are not important that is. What is important is attitude and BL/Tonality.

For your HB in a club setting in your question. Open the set, ignore her, have fun with her friends, neg her. You will see, she will start paying you attention to get yours. This is where the other phases start.

you thought about adding 'hey I need a female opinion on this, just quickly as I've gotta get back over to my friends...' then deliver to opener, most nice people wont begrudge you a few seconds of their time.

I believe the idea of the opener is literally get your foot in the door then its upto you to be the cocky, funny, suave, charming, witty guy to seduce those lucky ladies.

I mean I've made eye contact with a girl before then simply made a frame with my fingers around her face looking through it at her. asked her if she had done any modelling... because she has really nice hands and she could make it as a hand model... (big thanks to mystery on the whole hand model idea) then I went back into later after some rapport building , used it as an easy way for some kino, taking her hand, seeing how small it was compared to mine....like a midget etc....

so yeh anyway, don't worry to much into why it works and just that it does work

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