In this short 4 day venture of learning about PUA and whatnot, I'm beginning to think it's as simple as:

1. get her attention

2. tell stories to get her interested

3. neg if necessary or even at least once

4. roll off and isolate her

5. sit back and enjoy or move her to a different location.

At the same time I feel like maybe I over thinking my routines, I don't plan to use stock routines, I plan to dive in with my own personal routines and stories that I feel give me value and make me interesting. I posted a topic in one of the sub forums about the things I had come up with and so far i've gotten no responses to it (oh well) yet as i read these stories back to myself,

I'm looking to see where the DHV spikes are, which I believe there are. Part of me feels as if I may come off as cocky but that all depends on tone of voice and whatnot I'm sure.

I believe that I know my areas of struggle which are approaching and opening and then keeping the conversation going. I've begun working on my approach and social anxiety by doing the walking up and just saying hi to as many people as possible thing. I had 50% good response and 50% no response, I think that was good, a lot more than I would've normally done.

The idea with the approach is to walk in and slowly turn in from what I can gather which i'll be working on as well.

See? I think I'm over analyzing or else I'm understanding it super duper fast.

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Ook, I believe you have be studying Mystery. There is nothing wrong with that.
Lets chance it a bit..

1. sit back and enjoy.

2. get her attention.

3. be yourself, only thing I recommend is to understand the concept of Cocky&Funny.

4. roll off and isolate her

With this method I promise you get 5x better results, you will gain more experience, you will see what works for you. You can develop your personality.

But if you want to use these routines and formal seduction plans, leave the negs away. Just tease. But remember what I said, they will just make you confused. If you try to use plans, something will always go wrong then you will be like "What now?"

There is something I prefer you to read.

http://www.gunwitch.com/ - Gunwitch Method

And yes, keep starting conversational with everyone. It doesnt need to be anything cool, just fluff talk. This will make you familiar with social situations. This way your confidence grows and you will see that you no more need routines.

And what comes to negs, read all this.
how-to-use-negs-correctly-vt51192.html - How to use negs correctly

Yes I have been studying mystery, I'll be studying neil next.

I have to say I'm not that great from far distances when it comes to getting a girl's attention as I am vision impaired and I'm quite sure over my life, I've missed plenty of opportunities because I literally didn't see them lol.

Thinking about what you said, there's a girl I've been gathering a good rapport with, got her over to my place to find out she has a bf she hasnt seen in 4 years haha. Regardless, i tease the dog shit out of her for various reasons and I tell silly stories about random crap and personal stuff, I look away and whatnot and she'll re-initiate and I'll turn back to her, etc. Perhaps I am doing the right things and I am just better with complete isolation?

Reflecting like this has made me realize, maybe i already have my own style and that I don't utilize it PROPERLY. Interesting sir...

I'd still use an opener though.

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Try this order...(some Neil stuff)

1. walk straight in with equal or higher energy than the set. This will get their attention every time.

2. tell a story or 2 (not too many)...tease her...push/pull (compliments shortly followed by teases/disqualifiers). ie. giving her mixed signals is what its all about as you come across as a challenge. It also makes her wonder about you which creates attraction.

[at this point you must have created attraction for the rest to follow smoothly]

3. isolate

4. get her to qualify herself to you (asking her tricky questions about herself that make her work hard)...this is you making HER jump through hoops to qualify herself to you.

5. build physical and emotional connection (share life stories/preferences/experiences).

6. close (if youve built the physical connection sufficiently this should happen seamlessly)


Dont worry about negging in the beginning. Practice your approach over and over, and then gradually throw in the next steps slowly as you feel yourself getting better. Rome wasnt built in a day and nor are good PUA's.

You still want an opener, eh?

The best opener is SITUATIONAL.

For example, one of the best openers I have used came up to me from bushes. Let me show you:

It was daytime ~6pm, I was walking around in city I didnt know. Then my friend phoned me "Can you come here in 30mins?", girls (5set) noticed me when I was laughing at my situation like "No, I have no idea where I am and I either have any ideas where to go. But no problem, lemme go ask those gorgeous ladies some advices!"

They had been listening to me and were giggling already when I went to them, I asked "Hey, ya know where...."

Funny thing is that, almost anything I said was funny. Thats because they saw me as FUNNY PERSON. Well, that was my opener. If you want to know, that 5set invited me to come with them to dinner. I went, but I had to leave because my friend was waiting. Teased them (no negging, TEASING), number closed one of the chicks.

ImmortalGropher, see.. Why you think Mystery has his own method, why every mPUAS have their own styles? Because its not about the routines, its about being yourself. You cant fully adapt someones elses style. Thats why you should develop your own game. Lemme me quote:

"Canned stuff is just a small plus to your own game which is basically build on your confidence. If you are confident, you can build better game. You are not, your "building" you have build (=game) will fall down, because your base wasnt strong enough. "

Well, it's like I said in my previous post, perhaps I have my own game, I just haven't been utilizing it correctly and my social anxiety has probably kept me from a lot of opportunities.

I noticed as I was talking to the girl who was over here a couple days ago, I was pretty energetic and teased and kept the convo going for 30 minutes, lots of laughter, etc. perhaps if I begin analyzing the things I say and do I'll become more aware of myself and my game could improve super duper fast.

I didn't necessarily follow mystery's method either, I actually found it similar; now that I'm thinking about it, but with my own twist. Mystery may be older than be but I've been using the whole "hey now, that'll be 5 dollars" whenever a girl touches me or asks for some kind of info since I was like 16. haha

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I just got done watching Style"s method and I thought back to this thread right as I laid in bed...

Situational opener could be like this:

Grocery store "Hey, I'm busy shopping, in fact I shouldn't even be talking to you right now, but I was thinking about a conversation I had with a friend......the reason I'm asking...."

Video game store: "I'm trying to figure out what game I'm going to buy, but...

Did I just now wind up understanding situational openers? You can be somewhere completely by yourself, but still set a time constraint, and continue on from there with threading stories and whatnot? I think that once I really understand the madness behind the methods, it will all click and I'll immediately be able to come up with my own game or at least improve what I have now.

I feel like things somewhat clicked now....

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Yeah, you are on the right rails!

You open people all the time, for example.. At college you ask someone "Oh fuck, did we have some essay to write for today?!?". You are not going to pick up that person, but that is an opener anyway.

Best openers are situational + they make HB/whatever answer in more than one word. Examples:
-Heyyy, you look like you might know something about... so could you tell me...? (milieu for instance shopping center)
-Can you tell me how do I get to...? (milieu anywhere)

Im not telling that other openers wont work, but these are best ones for indirect day game, because canned ones may make you look a bit weird.

But if you think your self-esteem is high, go ahead with direct openers if you have guts for that! Direct game is better, you wont be wasting your time there.

What comes to clubbing and parties, read this:

http://www.gunwitch.com/ - Gunwitch Method

Openers are not that important there. Women go there to find an awesome man. I got one opener I love to use:

ME: "I like your hat"
SHE: "*giggling* Thanks!"
ME: "I like your shoes/dress/x"
SHE: "*giggling more* Thank you!"
ME: "Now, when I start thinking, I like it all!"

But, opener can also be like "Hi". Then just carry on with "So, how lame was your day?" or anything!

1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 different openers

Personally, I think Game is About Being You, Just the Most Appealing version of you.

Neg's exist to build tension... To Keep them from loosing interest...

Me, I'm A Dick.. And I'm Damn good At Being One... So I can use a neg every other sentence, and it'll fly long as I'm funny about it and make it clear that I'm playing. Then When She has Me in her head as A higher Value Person with all The Teasing and put downs/Fun And Laughter.. I could easily come around and say something sweet And the Surprise will throw her off balance & Be even 10 more points for the home team...

So more less, Be yourself, But be conscience of the girl your talking to, pay attention, and Play to her personality...

See, I think what I'm doing here is basically focusing on learning the social dynamics part. I really liked the LAS VEGAS point system, actually did that with my roommate and our results were quite similar for each other but through that I know I need to work on my adaptability and self-worth.

An opener can be pretty much anything when it comes right down to it is what I'm starting to understand. it could even be "My shoe is untied, would you tie it for me? I'm kidding, look I'm scrapped for time...blah blah"

I feel as if the routines are crutches as well, which is why in my introduction post I said I really just want to dive right in. I feel like I can combine certain things and it may end up being me as I usually am. I'm focusing on the opening A1-A3 phase right now. If I think back to all my past relationships and try to remember what I said and did it would be easier to understand myself a bit more, but it's not working haha.

It also seems kino can come within the first 5 minutes. I've scored many times in my life, but understanding how I did so will totally open me up to more. I know if I can isolate a girl, she'll melt like butter.

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