very useful!

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great information, thanks guys

There is much debate as to when is the best time to call an HB.. Mystery and Style advocate in some of their videos calling on the same night. So the repetition brings familiarity.. Then there is another line of thought that goes with preserving high value by waiting to call.. While the debate my go on for some time, here is what I have learned from my trials and errors..

In the community there is a believe that I also share that is your day 2 should be done WHILE you are with her and NOT on the phone... So most of my Day2 prep is done while I am with the girl.. If anyone wants to go into more detail about this I recommend watching Mystery's videos..

I have tried doing my day2 both phone and in person and doing it in person while you are with the girl is better from my experience..

As to the best time to call I calibrate and follow my instincts. My general rule of thumb is if we have made out and the connection is definitely on.. And I HAVE MADE SURE THAT COMFORT AND TRUST IS ESTABLISHED THRU GROUNDING SEQUENCES... Then I call on the same night and/or the next morning..

Another comment I should mention before I end this post.. I have tried Ross' "disrespectful" routine several times posted here.. Women that I have used that line did not respond well..

For those who like "direct I am telling you" approach of Ross, he also has another routine with shredding phone numbers that might work for those long lost numbers sitting in jars... Then again I never needed to shred numbers.

Happy Sarging

Brother Mois

I guess when to call is still being debated.

But here's Jugglers advice on speaking on the phone(click)

I've also heard from (I think) Mystery's boys to always leave a message.

A busy, important man has to leave messages (ie for business) and have ppl get back to him, and you are worth the slot in her voice mail. You are not shy to talking into her voice mail. Rehearse, before calling, for the voice mail scenario.

But doing this, you only get one call, and you don't want to call back again, or else, IMO, you seem desperate. She has to call you back.

[I'm a bit partial to this route:
Her: I can't make it.
You: (dead silence)
Her: Hello? Are you there? What's wrong?
You: What's wrong is I can't believe the bullshit I'm hearing.
Her: What?
You: Look... you made a commitment to spend time with me and now you're blowing me off. You're disrespecting me and disrespecting my time and I'm NOT going to put up with it. My rule is, if someone makes a commitment to me, I expect them to keep it. If they can't keep it, I need to know at least a day in advance so I can make other plans. Got it? If you can live with that rule, great... if not, sayanora!
Then, hang up!! -halloween]

Halloween, this will only make a girl think you are clingy and have anger issues, especially if you barely know her. Avoid this route or you risk making yourself look like a psycho (no offense, just trying to be helpful). it should seem as if you don't really care[/quote]

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I wanna be Barbie, that b*tch has everything

text before calling...don't make plans with her on the first phone call

From experience, I've played this both ways and had pretty reliable results:

Friday afternoon phonecalls:

HB #1: didn't leave a message, didn't get a call back.
HB #2: left a message stating that I was going out with friends and that she should call if she wants in; got a call back, both had fun.

Realize that if you didn't get your number into her phone's address book she doesn't know who's calling her. Lots of people don't answer the phone if they don't recognize the number.

I'd rather leave a message and call another girl to participate in whatever I have going on (and have to tell "little miss I couldn't be bothered to return a call in a timely manner" that she missed her window and we'll have to try another time) than go by myself because I didn't bother to leave a message and leave her thinking that I didn't call. If I don't have another girl to go with I can use this as an opportunity to meet another girl.

It's standard social etiquette to leave a message when you get sent to voicemail unless someone has proven that they don't call back, at which point you must wonder why you called again anyway?

The trick is that your world doesn't stop for her. If she wants to come, that's awesome. You're going anyway, and if not with her... leave her wondering...

I like how In MM, It states "you touch and remove your touch" You finished clean.

I feel if the date is canceled, dont get angry and hang up. It does not bother you, and hang up first.

Finish clean...

My question is if there is a comeback? and how is this executed?

I think I answered my own question, though expanding this will not depreciate the value of the whole topic.

the Ross Jeffries method, well let say that It may piss the HB off, though when I did that, she did come and apologize for it. So it may not be all that bad, just expect her jib to back fire on your bad asses.

thanks for that post man! i think that way of doing it would work well.. the "come with me" approach.. its like a more direct thing..seems like it would work well. is that the type of additude you are supposed to carry through the whole interaction? i can see how it definently is more alpha, and giving you more say in all matters. it seems like that approach to it might take practice, but it seems like it ultimately would be a good thing. is this also a way of breaking nice guy syndrome? --

robba

IMHO, this wait 2 days is damm AFC, since it is a pattern so you are just one more dude which will wait 2 days to call her. Ive read it somewhere and exerienced also that if you felt a connection phone the next day, say a hi and leave it open as the guy already mentioned, she will be a bit curious and you will feel the climate.

call, leave message...

* don't introduce yourself, just start talking like she should know who you are.

* allude to an inside joke, nickname, other "shared moment" you had when you met her (to bring back those feelings she had when she met you / remind her of who you are, without saying "hey this is afc you met at the bar last night)

* mention something active/fun you are are doing, or are going to do, but don't invite her.

* if she doesn't call back, forget about her, and move on.

"hey HB, my roomate just fell off the couch, and it made me think about the drunk chick who kept falling off her stool last night. I'm about to go frisbee golfing with a friend, so call me later. my number (if she dosen't have it) is 555.555.5555"

I don´t see it as turning the girl on to the point she would call you back, if this is what you expect. I mean I agree on the first 3 items but I really don´t see why would she call you.

if you leave a message, and she doesn't call you back, it can only mean one thing...

SHE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU.

leave the poor girl alone. Your a PUA. She doesn't like you. That doesn't matter to you. You've got a line of girls who do want to talk to you.

I mean, if your a real cocky bastard with loose morals, you could wait a month, give her a call and say, "hey, just found this number in my wallet, I was wondering, did we fuck?"

That has about as much chance of working as calling a girl back who 1) got your message, 2) heard your message 3) ignored your message.

calling a girl back after you left her a message is phenomenally afc.

The only caveat would be saving her number for a mass text message.

"Hey Guys, we're going to the hockey game Thursday night, Dollar drafts! Text me if you're going to make it"