While there is no doubt in my head that these pua can make you better with women.. i sometimes think people sort of get things twisted in their head. Firstly, don't believe the bullshit... if you look a certain way there will be a limit to the quality of girl you can pull.

I don't mean to be rude here.. but you have to think about this logically. Our whole lives we know women are attracted to good looking guys, now we are to believe if we are 200lbs overweight and bald we can walk up to a stunning 19 year old model, show her a magic trick and have her chasing us?

That just isnt going to happen... The whole pua scene is about one thing... Confidence. Thats it. You guys don't need to go spend thousands of whatever currency you use to learn ways to attract women... Because the simple fact is that no matter how much psychic shit you tell her.. if shes not intrested ... its over.

Ive been doing alot of studying of material... that these "gurus" want to sell people like you and there comes a point when you have to ask yourself...Is there a tiny slim chance that alot of these guys are in it only to make money?

Anyone who is telling you, you need a 5 day seminar costing $3000 or whatever is ripping you off.

For example... Tyler Durden... Don't get me wrong, i think tyler is great and if he would just change his angle and sell his seminars as building confidence it would be great. Ive read ton and tons of field reports where people on his seminars open literally hundreds of sets and keep getting knocked back... Then they come out feeling great.

Thats fine.. But did they pull? No! I could bring you to a club and send you to get rejected countless times... Does that make me a pua?

Mehow - He keeps posting infield footage... Im yet to be impressed by ANY of his results. He can comment on whats happening all he wants, and he seems a nice guy.. But i have better success than that.

Afc adam and Sinn - Can pull women.. But do you notice, they happen to be quite good looking guys... Thats a shocker right?

Ive as much right to call myself a guru than most of the other people that do... Here is what i know.

1) You dont need a bunch of rehersed "openers" and "psychic tricks" To impress a girl.

2) How good looking you are is important .. you might not want to believe it but its true.

3) You can do things though to increase your confidence.


Now, people always say... Well if it doesn't work how come i went to a seminar and ended up .... etc etc ...

Thats easy. You open more sets after seminars.. Thats all they are telling you, the more girls you approach the more likely you are to pull. Its not rocket science. You don't need to spend thousands of dollars or whaterver to find that out.

Here is the truth...

Eye contact is important
Being confident is important
trying to do magic tricks is stupid and will get your mocked
playfull teasing and being fun (sinn approach) works best.

Thats the truth.. if you approach 10 times more girls confidently and be fun playfull the standard of your girls and the amount of girls you get will go up.

Save yourself a couple of grand and realise that in the house.

yea buddy well guess what, 90% of the guys on this forum don't have the confidence to do that, its great that you do, more power to yah

but the fact is, until the men who just start to practice the concept of PUA start seeing results, and start taking better care of them self (the whole concept of Inner game) then they wont try to go do the things that Pick Up motivates them to do, they are still brain washed by out societies, and how me make them feel as if just because there "too fat" or "not that good looking" then they become this totally different person just because of the surcomstances that they where born with out something,

thats the great about being human, if you want some really badly, chances are you will get it... well at least in america

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Here is the truth...

Eye contact is important
Being confident is important
trying to do magic tricks is stupid and will get your mocked
playfull teasing and being fun (sinn approach) works best.

I agree 100 % on this one BUT however, looks aint all that matters.. I have this good friend of mine with who i go out with a lot and he is really good looking guy ( im not gay, lol ) and very very athletick ( he plays hockey and does gym with me ). But because he doesent have as good social skills as i have, he ends up to be pretty poor with the women eventough he is like ten times better looking than i am or my friends. So what im trying to tell you is that eventough look is important you can easily over come those poser guys with your good social skills and PUA stuff... after all, the PUA stuff has helped me personally to overcome my AA and due to that increased my self confidence like a rocket witch is related to succes with women...

[ Johnny B ]

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Fear has a large shadow, but he himself is small. ~Ruth Gendler

I do agree on some points that confidence is important and that running routines that are over rehearsed won't work.

BUT, there are many "ugly" or less good looking PUAs that are just brilliant, take Ross Jeffries for example, he really doesn't have the looks but he is a social genius and has probably the best innergame in the world. And to me, that's what's really important, inner game. inner game is very different from confidence, but confidence comes from your inner game.

And no, I don't think a guy looking like jabba the hut would have the same chance with a girl as a guy looking like brad pitt, but anyone who is well groomed and has a bodyweight within normal limits, and only 2 eyes and doesn't look like the elephant man will have just as good chance as the brad pitt look-a-like.

It all depends on which way of pick up you choose, some are less good, some are really good.
The reason many do the magic tricks is because the are fans of mystery, he is a magician, make sense?
And no, unless you can design a detailed plan for how men should improve their life and their way with women you cannot call yourself a guru. Many people call themselves gurus anyway and they make money from it, I call these people entrepreneurs, and even some of these guys are really impressive, but mostly for their money making skills.

Like I mentioned there are many paths to meet women, and the path frequently mentioned in the Game and the tv show "the pick up artist" where you rehearse routines and play them back to the girls like a taperecorder it isn't bullet proof, but in some cases, even this one works.
So yes, there are different paths, better paths, but the important thing is to choose the one that suits you. And no, I doubt that you need an expensive seminar for that.
But we all start on different levels, and someone with no inner game may need a lot of guidance.
So don't clank down on this, and if you have never been to a seminar, how do you know it is that bad?

Yes you made a couple of good points, but please, have a background and something to relate to before you attack something you seem to know nothing about!

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