Pickup artists are absolutely clueless. About relationships. They’ve perfected the player aspect, but nothing else. These ‘men’ are just little boys who love to play games and who need to learn to grow up. We can systematize ritual socializing and seduction until we're all blue in the face and familiar with a host of itchy diseases, but nothing amidst this process is anything other than ancient. I am however somewhat bemused to discover that people are paying for classes.

This article: http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blog ... ing-books/ helps explain it too
Also, a great deal of the products PUA Training sells are re-packaged and re-hashed material from other, better, pick up instructors.

If you have good conversation skills and your not ugly, you can get women, without needing to resort to that bullshit... I cant believe people here actually think they can learn how to get women from a book... there's two ways to improve your chances with women, get drunk, or talk to lots of women until you know how to be smooth and witty around them... those skills sure as hell don't come from a book.

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I should sue the creators of She's Out Of My League for turning my life story into a movie without my consent.

Was this meant to be serious?

this guy is trolling I think, if not maybe he should look over how many people join the community and then settle down and leave trolling mark 3/10

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Natural Alpha Male > PUA

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...okay, no.

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"Vincit Qui Se Vincit"

Uh....
dude,
do you realize how much shit you are stepping on with your paragraphs?
Somebody ban him.

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Lead
Independent
Vigorous
Eccentric

I think one word sums it up.

When someone can't do something, they don't want other people to do it either. - paraphrased from the pursuit of happiness
Really? Because these books you are mocking help guys get over their fear of approaching women. Thereby allowing them to talk to lots of women and get witty around them. The goal is to give them the crutch of scripted material, until they get comfortable enough approaching that they no longer need it. That's why there has been such a surge in natural game.
You are absolutely clueless about sentence structure. Perhaps reading a book or two would fix that problem.

Since the divorce rates are around 50%, most men are absolutely clueless about relationships. Not to mention the fact that most intermediate and advanced pickup material clearly address relationship issues in depth. Inner game material helps men fix their own psychology which could potentially sabotage long term relationships. Pickup also gives men a better understanding of the female perspective and psyche, which is invaluable in any relationship. If anything, I'd say experienced puas are the most knowledgeable and well prepared for long term relationships.
No skills ever come from a book. Skills can only come from experience. But knowledge is power. Whereas you may have to go and figure out how to pickup women from scratch, puas can stand on the shoulders of giants and learn from the best that came before them.

If the goal of the “seduction community” were to find a “higher quality woman” then there wouldn’t be a community. One would find their high quality woman and then leave. The only thing that makes it a community is that it is a “catch and release” mentality. I’ve never really understood the whole PUA thing anyway, its always just seemed like a great way to become an asshole with herpes to me. Women don’t like me because I am ugly/uninteresting/generally unpleasant to be around (read: a schmuck) so I will trick the stupid bitches into liking me with a combination of emotional manipulation and abuse! What could possibly go wrong? Moo hoo haha!

Of course the community is preoccupied with power dynamics and having the upper hand, they’re not looking for partners but real dolls with a pulse. The “confidence” gained comes from convincing yourself of your own superiority and learning how to spot the most emotionally vulnerable targets. Its the interpersonal equivalent to GHB.

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I should sue the creators of She's Out Of My League for turning my life story into a movie without my consent.

If you read a few books (or even the attraction code by Vin Dicarlo, or my post called "sarging without stairs" etc) you would realise just how wrong you are

If that is really how you see and use the community and those are your goals, I feel sorry for you... I mean since you are saying that is all we do, and it looks like your are sitting here as well, then you must be the same way.

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That's assuming that every woman out there is ready for a long term relationship, or that a guy will almost immediately find his perfect match. A lot of women out there are in no way ready to have a high quality relationship. They have way too much baggage, are too unsure about what they want out of life and out of a relationship, and they simply not at a point where they are ready to commit. Not to mention the fact that even if a man and a woman were both 100% ready for a LTR, their personalities might not be compatible. The idea of dating is to meet and connect to lots and lots of women. This way you can better discern the types of women you are and are not compatible with. So that one day, hopefully, you get to a point where you are ready for a LTR and you find a woman who is also ready for a LTR, and you are compatible with her.

But the idea that you can go out and just meet a couple of women and find your perfect match, is just plain ridiculous. It is just plain logically that you would have to go through lots of incompatible women, in the meantime, until you find your perfect match (unless of course you are incredible lucky).

If you don't "release" women that aren't right for you, you will end up with a woman that you aren't happy with and don't want to be with.
No we do not trick. We learn. We learn how to be more interesting and generally pleasant. We learn how changing our clothes and body language can make us appear more attractive. We learn what negative habits scare women away, and we learn to stop doing them. And finally we grow into the kind of man that women are naturally attracted to. People are constantly changing and growing, its a fact of life, we have just chosen to grown into men who are better with women.
You are really trying to compare us to date rapists? That is just plain ignorant.
Women want strong and confident guys. They want men who can lead them and fill their hearts and minds with adventure and passion. PUAs learn how to fulfill a woman's needs. Not just her physically or logical needs, but her instinctive and emotional needs. Women are not weak or stupid creatures, and they have needs. What makes you think that women don't have the desire to get laid? You think they get all dressed up and hit up single's bars/clubs, for some conversation?

If you are so honest and fair to women, let me ask you a few questions. Have you ever bought a woman a drink in the hopes that it would start a conversation that would lead to sex? Have you ever lied about your views on something, so as not to disagree with a woman? Do you have special clothes/car/jewelry that you bought, solely to impress women? Do you take women to fancy places on dates to impress them? Do you act differently around women than you do in your normal life? These are all forms of deceit and manipulation, just more common and accepted forms of them.

You know they say that we view the world as a reflection of how we see ourselves. I have to wonder why you would go to a PUA forum and bash PUA. Seems to me you have convinced yourself that this stuff is wrong and doesn't work because you can't let yourself believe it works. And you can't let yourself believe it works, because it would upset your self-image. Maybe you have had some trouble picking up hot girls and you don't want to believe that other people can do it, because it hurts your ego that there are people out there who are better than you with women. So you call them schmucks and insult them, because deep down you are angry that they can do that which you can not.

FUCK. RICH. And FUCK all the gurus out there who put outrageous price tags on bullshit products made by other people and labeled with their name so they can capitalize on a little fame. I say this with love and righteous anger. What you reap is what you sow, mother fuckers.

You want to be good with women? Try being good with PEOPLE first. Be a man who takes care of everyone like family.

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I should sue the creators of She's Out Of My League for turning my life story into a movie without my consent.

We all get annoyed with the high prices of PUA material. But it's supply and demand. If someone is willing to pay $250+ for a video set, someone will be around who is willing to charge $250+. You can't fault people for being capitalist in a capitalistic nation. Though I think we would all like to see those prices drop.

I am sure I have read this a lot before.... somewhere.... oh yeah, in some PUA material and books

You can buy Gambler's book for a penny, David DeAngelo's Attraction Isn't a Choice and Double Your Dating is about £20. They have done the trick for me and been a main influence.

The best results I've got is from their BLUEPRINT and then using it for my own thing. As for getting good with people, sometimes thats less obvious than you think.