Within Christian theology you need to be repentant of your sins as well as accpeting your saviour, just going "hey I'm christian" Then sinning becuase you think you will get away with it. Will still leave you damned becuse you have not repented of the sin.

let me guess.. atheist?

yeah weak or lacking religion gives people a simpler view of things... although emptier aswell

things aren't so easy for we religious ppl due to our Faith

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the problem is, how many people that are the 'slaves' to the religion don't think for themselves at all when it comes to the religion? You can't honestly say that EVERY person defines religion for themselves.

just to avoid debate, i'm going to ignore the rest of the post. I have retorts for some of it and touche's for others, but i'd jsut rather not get more involved.

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Most people don't think for themselves about anything. Religion is just one example. Most people are slaves to society, media, their own limiting beliefs, peer pressure, etc... Religion is but just one example where humans fall into line and don't think for themselves.

But that is by no means the fault of any specific established religion, nor the fault of the idea of religion itself. But rather is the fault of human nature. We are pre-programmed to try to fit into the norm, act like everyone else, and believe what we are told by authorities.

You are angry at an example of human behavior rather than the human behavior itself. We are all slaves to something, no matter how free thinking you may be.

Would it be great if all people took an honest and objective look at their religious beliefs? Yes. And many religions (Catholicism included), have rites of passage which require a drawn out deep introspective study of one's religion.

But, most people are content with accepting their beliefs at face value.
Which works for them. It may not work for someone who always needs answers to everything, and needs everything explained out in detail. But what you probably can't wrap your mind around is the spiritual aspect of religion. The "calling" from God, as it is commonly referred to. To someone who has experienced that feeling, information is nothing more than words to describe the indescribable.

KristallNachte and Kalel:
Your debate is starting to veer away from the main topic. Start steering it toward pickup again.

Sorry, it was a gradual veering and I hadn't even realized. Also I think we both double posted by responding to other posters aside from our debate, so that made the veering even less noticeable.

as is why i dropped it.

congratulations for not finishing a thread, ay?

haha

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okay listen... if the concepts of PUA go against your religion, and you still practice PUA, that means you going against your religion, aka not religious..

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Unless someone can show to me that something exists, with proof, then I won't believe them. Thus, God probably doesn't exist. He might, but chances are he doesn't.

Being an atheist has a lot of positive sides with PUA. You are much happier to live in the moment and accept that your actions have no consequences beyond what people will directly inflict. It gives you a lot of confidence, not to have any guilt.

not to mention, there is something very freeing about realizing that nothing matters anyway.

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I am not religious, there are many faults and problems within religion that annoy me and lead me to the conclusion they are all wrong (and right - will get into this).
How is it, nearly all religions from all different places in the world have very similar basic "guidelines" (the don't steal, kill other people etc stuff) yet all have a few minor difference (name/number of god(s) etc) - it seems to much like a Chinese whisper effect to me. Therefore, to me it seems following any religion as rules and truth seems to me as a step to far, yet looking at the fundamentals of most religions and the common themes as guidelines by which you should try and live is something I could believe in and is also connected to PU - it is also how all religions are right, at their core.
If you just followed the guidelines, you really do the "right thing" and really there is no harm in that. Tell no lies themes? ofc, be honest with people and they will respect you for it and value your opinion more. If someone only says nice things to you, do you believe them? You start to feel their opinion must be bias and they are lying to you.

Just some thoughts.

Now why, oh why, did we have to bring up the subject of religion to this forum. Don't people know by now that simply bringing the word up is a reason for a fight? Flame wars have been fought over far lesser issues on this forum and you still had to bring it up.

Oh well, what's done is done.

Now about religion- let me ask you this. Just how many of you came to this site to find advice and learn PUA after religion abused them and condemned sexuality and brutalized the concepts of love and romance and limited are beliefs destroying out security and confidence and ultimately twisted our world views?

Yes, I blame religion for the existence of so many AFCs on the forum and in the world.

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Conflict is a good thing. Considering the wide range of topics address on this forum, it would be odd if the topic religion was never addressed. Especially since you already admit that it can affect a man's abilities with women. It would only make sense that this topic needs to be discussed openly and frankly. This is a hot button topic, precisely because everyone has opinion on it, and it affects so many people so deeply. So in the end, there may be a few heated discussions, but hopefully some new ideas and perspectives on the subject are shared in the meantime.

Did you not notice my very very diplomatic response?

Brutalised love and romance, if anything the current concept of romance, (although commonly accepted I believe is lacking) is strongly upheld by most religions and their attitudes towards sex.

And then their is the whole christ-like thing, and empty cans rattle the most.