So im very new to all of this, but last night i kind of tried applying this stuff for the first time.

I went to a party and was hanging out with this girl i know. we started to kind of flirt and argue about stupid stuff like whats better crash bandicut or final fantasy and stuff like that. i was trying to bust her balls as much as possible. we were talking for a long time but it wasnt leading anywhere, so i tried to get her to come outside with me a few times but she wouldnt come.

eventually we both ended up outside and were arguing again. so i kinda said "are u serious?" while we were arguing and jokingly forced against the wall. i then leaned in and was inches from her face, we started rubbing noses. so i tried going in for the kiss but she pulled away, and left.

I know that there was probably many things I did wrong but I was wondering what specifically was it. I'm thinking that I was maybe too needy for goin in for the kiss and also for hanging out with her for so long.

are you sure your arguing was 'play' arguing and not bad-vibe arguing?

also, instead of leaning in and going for the kiss when she has not showed any IOI's, rather do the traditional kiss test...reach out to touch her hair, if she doesnt move back then go in for the kiss. it was a bit of a gamble trying to kiss her as she didnt seem that compliant in the first place did she, not following your lead and going outside with you etc. that alone shows she was probably not ready to be kissed by you.

and its not 'needy' going in for a kiss. At the moment you attempt to kiss her she either wants to kiss you or she doesnt. You need to flip that switch in their head that makes them say to themself...'ok I want to be kissed now' and without even knowing it the IOI's will come flying.

Gazing left and right into both of your eyes (like lovers do) is one of the most common ones i look for. Lean in a bit slowly while chatting to her and if she doesnt budge away, give her what she wants.

vision has excellent advice, a little work could make that fun smoothly

i would say one thing, 2 steps forward, one step back

sounds like there wasnt alot of kino in the first place making it hard for u to go in for a kiss. instead u coulduv gotten close, and turned away and winked at her, being whitty and kinda a tease making it more fun. or just waited for it after more escalation

mR.e

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What do you guys think of attempting kiss closes even when there is a very high chance of rejection in order to maintain the aggression, pressure, and sexual tension? I often find that when I do this when we are already having some good vibes even when she backs away she often does so laughing or smiling.

Vision that's some awesome advice, and as for the rejection...

I attempted a failed kiss close the other night I used the standard "Am I allowed to kiss you?" I got a "No." She knows I'm not a player and she led me on to shut me down purposely. Since then that has been more motivation for me as a pua. I have kicked my game up a knotch and started doing a lot of kino and DHV. She's driving an hour from columbus to my house to see me tomorrow so i'm going to go for the hair move and try again, will let you know how it works

It's not "Am I allowed to kiss you?"

It's "Do you want to kiss me?"

That way if she says no you can play it off like you're teasing her "you were looking at me like you wanted to kiss me"

I know, but I used the normal close the other night, and I wanted to mix it up. I don't like using the same stuff every time, it makes me feel weird that i'm using the same stuff on more than one girl.

Clouds, I can respect that, but buttpirate is right. It's all about the wording.

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