I just went out with a girl last night on our first date, we had dinner and 4 hours of nonstop conversation.

I was under the impression the date went well, no weird silences, no awkward moments.

This girl knows i'm interested in her.

I text her later that night after I drop her off...thank her for a great night, and ask her out to dinner again the next time she is free.

Today I receive a text message back saying....."Sure we can go out to dinner again....but just as friends....I don't want to lead anyone on."

Is that the kiss of death? Should I just move on to the next girl, or try and get this girl out of LJBF's mode?

hmm.....this could definitely NOT be the issue >.>


where is kino?

where is excitement?


guys get attracted to girls through talking because guys don't get together and talk about their feelings and shit, instead they go out and have fun. girls get attracted to guys through action since most of the time with their girl friends is just talking.

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Its very difficult to advise because there are many possible reasons:

* you talked too much about logical and practical things (the usual "interview" topics) rather than engaging her emotions.
, you exhibited too much compliance (agreeing with everything she said). You talked too fast, tried too hard to keep her entertained.

* your body language was weak and non-alpha, you slouched, leaned in to her, had poor eye contact, your tone of voice was high pitched and rapport seeking.

* you weren't in a sexual state, you didn't look a her like a hawk looks at a mouse.

* you didnt kino, or didnt get into her intimate personal space zone (need to get your faces closer than 18 inches or so for an extended period of time)

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Perhaps that is where I went wrong....I should not have assumed the first date was too early for KINO.

I texted her back last night and told her I was looking for something more than friendship and it would be too difficult for me to hang out with her as friends right now.

I'm not sure if that was the correct course of action, but I'm not going to waste my time hanging out with her as "just friends"

Yeah, it is never ever too early to kino.

I think you just handled that date like every other chump she has dated before where nothing has ever happened... They were too nice, answered her questions too easily yada yada yada.

You talked for hours, that means NOTHING when it comes to attraction. She can talk for hours with her girlfriends. Does that mean she is attracted to them? Too much rapport I think and not enough busting/teasing her.

I don't think that last message you sent her was the right one either.

Now she thinks you're too much of an emotional wreck to even hang out.

'I'm sorry, I can't hang out with you unless I'm banging you.' That's how she'll translate it.

Girls are supposed to have all that emotional baggage. Guys are the exception, they should be emotionally strong when the girls are not.

Also, you told her you like her. Again, I think that was another reason that put her off. You must wait until she says she likes you or when she's giving off the VIBE. Then act on it through actions and not words.

Unfortunately, you've choked and failed her first screening test. Well I should say second screening test, because she was obviously attracted to you enough to agree to a date.

It think you should still keep this one open, I always do. But you've taken a lot of steps backward.
Woah, you need to get shot of this mind-set quick time. This attitude,'If I can't bang you then fuck off' is off putting to anyone. You're a fun, laid back PUA. So what if she wants to hang out as friends. Build your social circle, flirt with her still, bust on her...

All this helps so that when girl #2 comes along, you'll pull out the RIGHT moves this time and close her. But the question is, does she wanna still hang out with you now?

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I'm not sure if she will still hang out with me now, I still haven't heard back from her after I told her I didn't think it was a good idea for me to hang out with her as friends...right now...because I want something more than friendship with her.

But she did still want to hang out with me before I told her all that........

I chose to implement a freeze out.......I don't think it's healthy for me to hang out hoping she'll change her mind and take me out of the friends box.

thats not gonna work.


ultimatums never work. you basically just told her "either we don't see eachother, or you date me"




in a few days text her like you never sent that message, and if she asks about it, shrug it off.

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