False Time Constraint, When solo?



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:34 pm 
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Hi guys

I'm 30 year's old and i feel like i wasted my life :cry:
Ive been stuck at home and i went into depression for many many years , i lost all my friends, etc.

Anyway, now im finally getting out of my funk and trying to improve my life and a big part that is talking to and attracting women.
I have been studying PUA for about a week or so and i really think i understand at least the methodology and philosophy of pick up.

Im gonna go out this Friday night however i have to do it by myself, because i got no one to go with, that's not a problem im aware that people solo sarge all the time.
My only problem is what to do with the False Time Constraint, I mean in all the PUA videos and literature i have read it says that the FTC is very very important and that makes seance. But if im alone how do i go about it without displaying lower value i mean all the FTCs i have seen covey a social value, and if i'm by myself that's kinda hard to do.


I just need some suggestions from some of you guys, maybe some pro solo PUAs
i have been raking my brain for things i could say as an excuse why i would have to leave the set but i got nothing.
Any ideas?


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well there are some like

"Hey before i grab my drink at the bar, i had to stop by and ask you..."

"Hey quick opinion, i dont have much time as i have to...(insert randomness here)"

since you are soloing , now once you start making friend you can adapt to this and open up with new operns like

"hey before i get back to my new friend, i have a question.."

theres many many openers for solo gaming. You jsut gotta presume confidence and a sense of funess yet assertivness. I would advise you to go out and day game before you go out and night game, pratice some solo openers and also get rid of any AA before the night. Its not gonna be easy but its not hard.

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ok first of all :

when going out at night you need friends , if you are all alone people will dinf you weird.

at night most people go out to get attention, especially male attention - this is a subconcious replication agenda..... but most people go out for fun.
YOU SELDOM find girls alone when going out at night.... you always approach sets, merging into sets is not as easy as it looks you will make alot of mistakes even i still do.

if you game during day in malls, on work , streets etc people will find it less threathening and you find alot of girls solo-ing around.

advantages at night :

Lotsa girls
Higher probability to make friends
Alcoholic beverages can make your anxiety go away
Other people are influenced by alcoholic beverages as well that makes it easier to open sets ( you just open up the drunk person ).
You can open up a target on the dancefloor... sometimes just by dancing.
you can show high energy levels ( you can get away with alot of stuff which during day is awkward)
people are grouped up by certain venues ... only semi emo girls visit some venues... latin people will mostly visit salsa/ RMB venues.. you can pick targets easily.
Approaches don't have to be instant ( it's better if you approach when you first show up but you can walk past by them without eye contact and open them up later )
Hired guns are at the bar... when a conversation goes sour or you need a warmup you can talk to the bartender.
you can pull of more material ... drinking games etc

Cons at night :

You need friends ... if people know your solo you will be DLV'ed ( you demonstrate lower value by having no friends ) , if you don't have friends then pretend to have friends and make friends ASAP.
Boyfriends are always with their girls.. guys hang around girls anyway there is more competition going on. You need to be alpha
If you drink too much you will cloud your perception, don't drink too much
Loud music can really destroy your opener and other material ... also if you can't dance you will be limited.
you need to show high energy levels, competition is fierce .. .you need to show your exciting and alpha - at night you can be tired.
if you walk around the venue in a predatory fashion people will notice you ... if you walk the same route ( in the venue ) twice like your looknig for something - people will notice you will get DLV'ed.... if you walk around without friends it's a DLV to.
Not alot of different venues ..... pubs etc, drugstores are closed

During daytime - Advantages :

Low friend making probabilty
No alcohol to remove your anxiety, niether does targets.
No boyfriends or other males around
Woman suspect less ..... they don't realize your hitting on them because usually this happens when going out at night.
Bitch shield is lower during day .... less men arounds
you can't show high energy levels
Most woman are solo during daytime
Approach is more natural during day
No loud music or whatsoever.
easier to DLV your target and DHV ( promote ) yourself because most girls are solo, they have no friends or cockblockers with them.
you can game in stores, drugstores, restaurant etc ... the type of venues is so diverse

Disadvantages:

ALL SKills ... body language ... voice tonality is much more important.
You have to approach within 3 secs .. you can't wait
You have to have more canned material .... you can't play drinking games or whatsoever and you have be fun .... you have to make more funny comments.
it's harder to get a phone number or anything.



In short terms ... during the day you find less resistance and less problems by sarging alone, however skill is more important during day REMEMBER you approach a single target without your friends and probably without her friends around so there is less to talk about ... be subtile. HOWEVER you can simply open a target during the day - you have no angry friends or cockblockers around, you don't need to be alpha because you are the only male engaging conversation
During night you have cockblockers .. womans bitch shields are higher and everyone is in a set - meaning you have to open up a set which is a different game then approaching someone solo : you have to disarm cockblockers ... neg more because their bitch shield is higher.

when going out at night go with friends .. if you don't have any then make friends.
as you say you wasted your life and lost friends + were depressed etc... when you fail at sarging - fail at making friends or picking-up you will see other people with friends and suffer the loner stigma, at the end of the night you will feel terrible.. you didn't accomplish anything but remeber this is one night there are 100dreds more to come.

i was depressed too.. i lost my daughter(died) and my relationship crashed, i have wasted my life and tried to suicide 3 times, i also failed at my exam - in a psych ward i endured elektro shock therapy and other bad shit .... one day i changed i submitted myself to budhism and educated myself... when i was back home I had no friends and was very lonely, i sarged at night and suffered from the loner stigma... even during the day i felt bad that i didn't accomplish anything. ( remember i have been in a psych ward for drug addiction and bad depression, i didn't had a normal conversation for months at that place)
'Just set small goals.... open someone up.. make someone laugh ... befriend someone.. don't make seducing or picking up your primary goal, it feels better if you accomplish a few minor goals.

I just practiced, bought a shitload of books, went out to test material and canned stuff .. by now im a natural i can open up anything, i can open up your girlfriend and probably steal her, i can manipulate bartenders at giving free drinks, i can seduce that hot cassier at wallmart.... but most importantly i like doing it and i have learned alot of lessons at life.

at the beginning i was very lonely and new, everything was awkward i felt axiety and failed to accomplish my goals.
now im almost expert( in comparison).. in picking up ... seducing .. befriending people and relationships - im also better at studying as well ( from reading books etc)

dude when your going out at night - solo - and you feel lonely then remember I have done it ... if i can do it you can do it to ! whenever you feel bad just remember im right beside you.

the more you sweat at training the less you bleed in the field.

now go and own that shit !

FTC is important ... always do it , it''s also a good excuse for pretending you for having friends around the venue : '' hey do you got a sec i need to return to my friends but i want to ask you something etc'' it will look like you have friends present.... FTC is used so people won't know(sense) your real motivations it's a kind of coverup.


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Sound's fair thanks for the advice.

I was thinking though being alone is a DLV in itself, but if i were to say something like
" yea i was supposed to meet my friends in the city tonight , but there car broke down, so what was i gonna do go home? fuck that! i thought to myself im already here, ill just make some new friends"

I was thinking if by saying something like that would be a DHV buy conveying some adaptability and confidence.

I mean by saying that it shows that im still able to have fun even when my imaginary friends don't show up?


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my english isn't very good...

yep being solo is a DLV at night ... you maybe get respect for the courage of going out on your own, but still you won't create attraction and social value.

" yea i was supposed to meet my friends in the city tonight , but there car broke down, so what was i gonna do go home? fuck that! i thought to myself im already here, ill just make some new friends"

it's good, but you imply you have no other friends around thats a -- ....but you do imply you make friends quick so thats a +

''so what was i gonna do go home'' don't say this, just act like you always got something important to do, like you have always some friends around - so just say : '' well i can meet some friends at home and watch a movie but im already here, il probably see some familiar faces around''.

'' i thought to myself im already here, ill just make some new friends"
this is alright, tho you can supplement it with : '' i can have fun on my own you know '' - continue with some fun story.... Imply you are a fun person to hang out with, you are even fun when solo. now just make up some fun story you experienced when going out solo.

The first impression is the most important - people will judge you for 80% on that, so you have to be sure you convey to have a fun, warm, kind, teasing, unpredictable personality.
Fist impression often triggers attraction.


" yea i was supposed to meet my friends in the city tonight , but there car broke down, so what was i gonna do go home? fuck that! i thought to myself im already here, ill just make some new friends" this is ok but it really depends which person you are talking to.
i would say : Hey you got a second i have a question- i have to go soon(FTC) but my friends car broke down and they text messaged me they don't know the directions ( now make up some bullshit OR real locations ) they are stuck on montreal street bllablabla --- now lean back a little ( body rock FTC )
(she knows the location?) : o you know that ... are you from around there or something , do you know the secret montreal handshake ( Kino test)

(she doesn't know the location) : o so you are lost as well , your not from around here then ? ( FTC by turning body a little bit away then turn back to her and follow up with the next canned story)

It is possible to DHV yourself in an opener and a follow up story just be sure not to imply your arrogant - don't say : ''well i thought, fuck i was good''
rather say : '' well fuck, but my friends told me it was good''
If a girl or person sees your promoting yourself by DHV spikes then they will instantly find you arrogant...... always cover up your DHV spikes, when gaming someone hardcore - just pretend you have to put a camouflage suit on.
If you ask opinions instead of facts you can involve the person much more into the conversation, when asking opinions you can create longer conversations and pull more people into the conversation.
I got alot of succes with an ''opinion opener'' ( remember when someone gives his or her opinion you can easily neg her/him )

ok so here is the deal in very short terms
A1
1. Open up ( appear non needy, face her sideways - don't turn you body toward her yet )----- > FTC ( i got a second, i need to get back to friends etc-----> follow up question ( opinion asker or whatever question you like to ask)

note : now you still don't involve the other person because you are asking question.... if you ask opinions the other person invest by giving her point of view there fore you are still non needy. If you suddenly ask personal questions you involve the person directly.. this create awkward feelings and you appear needy.
A2
2. FTC ( body rock - lean back but don't overdo and don't do fidgeting)-------> ask a question as a follow up (after you told her whats going on)--------> ''o your from there as well ?! ''( create little bit familiarity)
Now introduce kino, '' hey you know that handshake they do there''?------>

(Note: when people defy your ''handshake-hoop'' they say no even if they know it, not knowing the handshake is a DLV and you can tease neg on that. if they say no then it's not a problem, don't ask them to learn it don't ask them anything.)
don't freeze out yet because your not in comfort zone, the target doesn't care if you freeze him out.


handshake ----> (neg optional) --- > introduce --- > neg
lets look below

handshake succeed-----> neg
handshake fail ----- > introduce yourself '' o your from there and i didn't even introduce myself ''-----> neg

Neg -- > o you got sweaty hands
o you got sweaty hands, i don't wanna know where the've been
your hands are al greasy looks like you really from there


well she can defy your introduction
handshake fail -----> introduce fail

the neg her with a sniper neg : '' well actually im not interested at all i was just being polite'' now you should turn to her friends or whatever and talk to them instead of her to freeze her out.
You can even turn to her friend and after you sniper negged her react '' ( to her friend ) '' is she always like this '' ( create social pressure by negging her in front of her friends)

You are in A3 when you are DHV and she is DLV
Now she probably invests in you ... when she ask 3 questions reply by giving her one question back but don't invest more then her.

This is a small and quick example but remember when you open up sets you have to ignore and tease neg the target and give attention to her friends.
You first need social value and approval of her friends in order to pick her up.

Open set ----> FTC -----> give attenion to friends ---- > neg the target if she interrupts ('' hey we are in conversation you a second? smile)
Always adjust to your target , only turn your whole body towards your target WHEN SHE DOES THE SAME - Don't invest in her before she does or it will be DLV

in comfort zone(C 1,2,3) however you can invest in her.


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I was thinking if by saying something like that would be a DHV buy conveying some adaptability and confidence.

I mean by saying that it shows that im still able to have fun even when my imaginary friends don't show up?
Yes work this out ..... work out by giving a good first impression.
Create attraction in all opener fase (A,1,2,3)
you can give alot of impressions '' fun , cool guy , creative, extreme sports person, daredevil , good friend you always take good care of friends.
ALot of DHV spikes

When creating a opener first look at what could be DLV , then create all DHV spikes.

look what's :

DLV, DHV in opener
DLV, DHV in FTC
DLV, DHV in Follow up story

A1 = first impression, you need to bypass her bitch shield as well
A2 = the fase she is shit testing you, congruence testing etc
A3 = she is DLVéd and you are DHV

first learn everything you can about the opening fase ( A,1,2,3 )
after you've done some studying and training go practice and test it in the field, after you fully control all skills required to succesfully open up ( A,1,2,3) go study comfort zone and focus on that... right now focus on A

A -----> fully control ---------> C ------>fully control ------> S
A<----> ?

ok

creating attraction in opening (A) is much more important, comfort zone ( C) is less important because if you don't create attraction in A you will get stuck in the friendship zone.... this isn't bad because you still got a new friend, it's only bad when you want her to be your girlfriend.

go one step each time.

O yeah and about negs..

Shotgun neg : designed to disarm a whole group
Sniper neg: really a neg that doesn make your target feel bad , an instant DLV'er.... if the neg is hardcore then be sure her friends are not around when you do it or it will be insulting.
tease neg : make fun of someone in a funny way
At every neg you need to smile ... never act like things are a big deal , even smile when she says you to fuck off.

shotgun neg : DLV the whole group, talk in a context - a frame ... be mysterious - not the whole group has to understand what its about .,. its ok if 1 or 2 persons do

''Wow i think everyone noticed, ( they like:'' what ?'' ) well everyone sees you are trying to act cool here - i don't care but everybody was watching. i don't know why.''

''Do you guys ever go to a gaybar ... (before they reply ) are drinks are cheap over there ?''

'' Do you guys ever read the cosmopilitian ? ( look at them in a funny way ) well i was just planning on reading it but now i have seen enough make-up for a week''

''well il bet you guys are cool to hang out with but i see 4 girls and not a single guy .... whats the story behind that ( this is also a opener )

'' you girls look like you are lost ... you don't have to be shy, do you need directions ?''( also an opener)

Sniper negs : insult without insulting but create embarrasment directly

''hey you got something weird at your eye ... it looks .. weird ''
'' your hands are all sweaty, where have they been ?''
'' i smell something weird ..... what cologne are you wearing( optional : you smell like my brother''

tease negs: insult without insulting but avoid embarrasment with humor

''hey that scarf is nice but you look .... little bit taliban :)''
''you know that bar ? .... no.... well glad i don't know it either .... well .. it's a gaybar''
''you know that bar ? .... yes ?.... well glad i never been there .... well .. it's a gaybar... what were you doing over there :) explain :) don't be shy :)''
'' oh my god ... (she : what ?) me : well you look so much like my ex girlfriend and shes a nurse, il bet you are a nurse to i can't even talk to you now'
No you're not a nurse ? then what do you do ? your a accountant..... jezus fuck i really can't talk to you now.. my first girlfriend was an accountant''

peace bro

if you need a good book buy : ''mystery method by mystery''..
''the game ( neil strauss)'' ....
''The Definitive Book of Body Language by Barbara Pease ''
''Introducing NLP: Psychological Skills for Understanding and Influencing People by Joseph O'Connor''
''Unleash the Warrior Within: Develop the Focus, Discipline, Confidence, and Courage You Need to Achieve Unlimited Goals by Richard Machowicz''

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i forgot to mension :

50 % is body language ---- > subconcious
30 % is eye contact ------> subconious/concious
15 % is the verbal amount ---->concious
5 % is actually the contents of your conversation , what you say etc--->consious

you see 80 % is subconcious and dominant, it's a major part of interacting.
BODY LANGUAGE MAKES a huge difference and 98 % of the people don't even realize it.


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You don't need a FTC, instead try to do that with your body language, make it look like you're going to leave by turning away and then turn back and keep talking.

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