Ok this is the deal, online sarged this 40 year old MILF (I'm 27). She is an Italian women with a hot body and 3 kids (very NY also). Got the number and had a phone conversation that lasted about 30 min but I didn't close for a meeting. She is extremely aggressive and direct, not coy at all. Any suggestions on how to field this one? I mean, she is definitly hot and gets novelty points for her age but there in lies a potential issue, I've only fielded women up to about 33 years old. Let me know what you guys think and potentially where to go (thinking just drinks for starters.... but she may still try to rape me lol). Maybe it's just mental, she is still a women after all.

-Mercan

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dood, just play her like she is any other woman. She realizes that you are 27, and clearly just wants to bang you out in her grocery getter. I doubt she is looking for something long term, especially because you have been gaming her online.

The only thing that I would say is different is she has kids, so you cant just call her and be like "hey come hang out" because she is probably watching the kids. Give her like a 3 or 4 day notice of where and what to do so she can dump the kids somewhere, and then go for the close.

Let us know how it goes.

She's already brought up sex a number of times and tried to entice me with her "expert" cooking skills. I almost feel like she is working me. Recommendations on where to take her? At her age think she's comfortable coming by my place for a few cocktails? haha

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LOL, she's already using the "I want to cook for you" line.
Don't worry mate.

seems like u got this in the bag mayne.

Hopefully u have some nice cooking utenciles (sp?) at ur house... cuz i'm sure by her wanting to cook for u, she wants u to go over to her place.. Which could be a good thing but most likely it would be better for u at your own place.
Try to get her to yours, use a line like "After i wipe the cobb webs off these pans and clean em, i'd like u to come over and heat em up "
somethin like that....
worked for me at my parents house with a 22yr old when i was 18
chea

Yes she will be comfortable. You probably don't have to work this one at all -- grats.

Older women have an amazing sexual appetite, lol. Grats on getting cougar'd.

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Quick update: Called her last night to set up an outing. Said that I was likely going out of town this weekend but wanted to see her before I left (Weds, was my only available day lol). She bit and we are doing cocktails tonight. I told her to pick her top 3x places to booze and I would finalize. The only thing that would really weird me out at this point is if she brings the kids lol. Always wanted to hit a MILF, maybe she can teach me something too

-Mercan

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Oh one more thing, I have called her out a number of times about being "nervous" over the phone (laughing about nothing, giggling, sheepishly asking about ex's, lots of compliments). She admits to being intimidated by my online profile and such.... blah blah blah..... This was the turning point for me. Once she started to show fear and I realized she is likely more nervous than I am then my PUA instincts kicked in.

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I can testify to this, too. lol I thinks MILFS are the best relationship to get into.

I'm about to enter into a Milf situation with a girl in her 20's. Having never dated a MILF before, your feedback would be great.

1. A MILF in her twenties, what should I expect other than she must like to get it on to have a kid.

2. Do they have any ulterior motives, although I would think if so it would become obvious shortly into the experience.

3. Anyone else noticing that alot of the hot girls in their twenties these days have a kid already!?!? I love kids but it subconsciously sends a DLV to me that this person is careless in their relationships or is easily manipulated.

What have your MILF experiences been on the whole, good or bad?

Thought I would post my experience with the Cougar, post evening....

So leading up to the main event I was a little nervous about running game on a women so much older. If anything because with our 13year age gap I wasn't sure if I could keep the conversation going smoothly. Thx to some of the great posts on the forums and a motivation chat with a few of my friends, the game was on. I basically went in with the mentality that she is just a women like all the rest..... with a little more experience under her belt lol. Also, just as a side note, for a 40 year old women this Italian mother was smoking hot (solid HB 8.5 even at 40). Although I didn't F Close (kids had to get to school after all...) she text me 3x times and called once within few hours of the night and without any response back to tell me how great of a time she had.

I won't get into all the details of the date but I will highlight a few differences between running game on an older women and what you might typically be used to. Long story short, we had a great time, made out a number of times, and she is practically begging to cook for me at her house or mine.... /wink We started out at bar in a resturant then played some pool (she was horrible and lost all the bets) but was eager to be playful and act young.

Major points of interest, keep in mind this was my experience and may be different for others:

1. Cougars are extremely direct and aggressive. Within the first 10 min she was demonstrating IOI's by touching my leg, arms, and playfully hitting me. She even wanted me to touch her hair (long silkly black, which she is proud of). Basically, she seemed very eager to gain my acceptance which I played really cool in moderating any interest. I wanted her to really work at it and I kind of enjoyed watching her be nerous.

2. Steer away from using negs. A women at this age CRAVES compliments. A close friend of mine was seduced by a cougar and he gave me the heads up on this..... as opposed to a normal girl where you may need to neg her or use more frame control... cougars almost need to know you find them attractive. Simple compliments about her hair and figure reaped huge IOI from her and loved it. Also helped lower the her tension. I was a little skeptical given how hot she really is but it worked like a charm.

3. She will bring up the kids. This can be a little awkward especially when
the picture of the 3 kids comes out. My only advice, act somewhat interested by getting the names then quickly change the subject to either a fun routine or go get another drink. Also of note, you have to plan for the kids by giving her advanced warning to go out and so she can get a sitter (or send them to her ex-husbands). Kids need to go to school in the morning and cougars likely cant stay out all that long.

4. Act mature and be able to talk about various things related to her age group but remain playful. Anytime the conversation turned a little more serious about her job blah blah blah I would run a routine to keep the energy going. Cougars are likely not all that used to being with younger guys (this one wasn't) but they are doing it for a reason. Lets say for the sake of argument to break the routine of dating boring older guys. Bar tricks and games worked like a charm here (5 question test, IQ test, Wing Wing Wing, Penny Nickel and Dime.... etc..)

5. Address the age issue. Although this might be a sore area and one you may not want to address, it will be on her mind CONSTANTLY. My preference is to attack issues before they become something bigger so at the first indication she was thinking about it I hit it. I reassured her that I typically only date older women because they are more adult and mature, plus I hate the "games" younger ones play lol. Followed up with a story about my sis dating men typically 10 years her senior. Issue addressed and put to bed, now you can move on.

6. This could be a risky one but worked for me.... Basically we changed venues and went to play billards. I got the feeling she didn't usually do this sort of thing but wanted to appear young and playful so went along with it. Personally, I love pool because you have so much room and techniques to work with (correcting her shot, her hip placement, betting, etc..) Oh, just a note, somewhere doing the practice round I asked her if you wanted to kiss me. She responded with a bashful no, looking away. I laughed and told her that I wasn't offering etc.. then turned and went back to play. I could see the 2nd thoughts on her face. Anyway, she sucks at pool so I gave her the first game as a warm up. Second game, I layed down the bet. If she won, then I would have to kiss her. If I won, then I would have to kiss some other girl in the joint. Blew her mind and she made a comment about getting pissed, which I just laughed at. Basically, she lost tried to twist the bet into me kissing her I refused and started to walk off to fullfill my bet. She looked like she was about to either cut my pecker off or cry so I gave her a consilation prize of an almost kiss. Worked like a charm. Point being, most all the techniques (including jealously) work just fine on cougars.

7. Cougars are extremely sexual. Most of the time when I run game I might tease about somethign being sexy or reference sex in general. Girls usually respond playfully or in a very shy manner. To my surprise, she took this and ran with it. Ended up talking about getting "plugged" and her using body paint on me and all kinds of crazy shit. I just grinned and said yes ma'am.

Well those are most of the sticking points I can think of at the moment. I hope this helps any of you guys in similiar situations. My only real reservations are the fact that she is showing some signs of being really needy (text me twice last night with "i miss you" and "thinking about you".) Personally, I am just looking forward to trying the marinara sauce and having her do my laundry lol. I expect to F Close next time we meet up and could post more about differences there if you all are interested.

All in all, cougars are just older girls looking to get gamed just like the rest of 'em. Good luck hunting and/or being hunted!

-Mercan

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I think older milfs in their 30s and 40s are a whole lot different than ones in their 20s. Milfs in their 20s have a whole lot of issues. Milfs in their 30s and 40s all you basically have to do is talk to them as a normal person and your in pretty good because they like to be the aggressor. But all my experience comes as an afc, so ill have to try my new skills on a milf and see what happens.

Hmmm, I think the MILF thing is definitely one to be played fairly carefully...a woman who has got kids doesn't want to be out the game if she is single, she is still a woman and probably craving attention from a man if she doesn't have one in her life (I'm pretty much talking about older MILFS here)...but she does have responsibilites (children), and a sexual appetite like all other women.
Having said that, I think she needs to know upfront that it is not going to be a serious relationship, don't mess with her head that way, lead her on etc...she may want a man in her life...and her kid's lives. However, some may just want some fun, so make her feel desirable and give her pleasure, I am sure she'll be wanting to do same to you lol!

I think with MILFs that it needs to be clear more than with anyone else, what they will get from you in their lives...and more to the point, what they won't get from you (obviously saying it in a nice, gentle way).

Well said. I usually address this kind of thing by saying:

"It's cool to meet a single mom who isn't searching for a daddy for her kids, or a meal ticket."

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Great job with the cougar. You played all of your cards right, and didn't neg her like a hot 20 year old.

There's a huge difference I've found with dating a cougar to a kitten, and I believe I've figured it out.

When a girl is 20 years old, she has everything that men want. She has looks, youth, and spunk. Men will faun over a kitten, and she has to keep her bitch shield up at all times. A kitten also has a very tight social circle, and cannot be direct to men that they are attracted too, otherwise her social circle will term her a "slut". Negging is very affective to a kitten because every other AFC out there is showering her with compliments and gifts. To a kitten, 20 year old men cannot offer her anything she wants. All 20 year old men want one thing from her, and she knows it.

Now a Cougar is much different. At age 40, the cougar can afford to be more direct. She doesn't have a tight social circle that she has to demonstrate value too, so she can be more direct with men. The cougar's biological clock is ticking, or the alarm has already gone off, so she is quite a bit more desperate then when she was 20. Her looks and youth are gone, so she feels she has little to offer. In fact, the men of her age has everything that SHE WANTS, money and comfort. Men also get more distinguished with age, instead of becoming old hags. Showering a cougar with compliments is perfectly OK, and I don't believe the Mystery Method of negging applies here.

On a side note: young men, be patient. Like I said, at age 20, women have everything that you want. But later on in life, the roles are reversed. When you are 35, you will have everything a girl wants, and her biological clock is screaming "Find a MAN" every day. All the women that have rejected you at age 20, that's how many women you will be rejecting at age 30. Trust me.