with a gameplan.

HB-10 always at my favorite bar every week, rolls with 1 average HB-7, & ALWAYS has 3 or 4 different orbiter chodes around them she constantly tools.

I've been in the game about 8 months. 1st time I approached her I was a month in & she didn't even let me get out a word before she reached over & hugged some dude obviously to blow me out.

Couple months later I tried to open her and the friend casually while gettng a beer, & they ignored me, she even smirked when I walked away.

At this point I was done with her. Hottest girl in my bar but I figured those two newbie blowouts killed any chance.

Fast forward 5 months, I guess from he fact she must have noticed me mack chicks in the last few months & get female attention, she was walking by me & actually gives me a checking out look. I held eye contact & immediately did the claw & said "hold on you can't look at me like that and not say hi...I'm dave"

Very strong & I could see had shocked her. She recovered quick & started shit testing me. I did pretty well holding my own for about 1 minute & then mid sentence she just walked away from me while im talking I assume to regain the frame, but the next night I busted her checking me out across the bar, so I knew I had turned the tables.

This weekend comes. I see her with her orbiter chodes again I ignited eye contact and she gives me a playful "fuck off" look, I immediately walked over and negged her in front of her orbitor chodes. Again this totally threw her off & I could tell I had instant attraction cause she couldn't even look at me or do anything but flip her hair. She regrouped though & started shit testing. I fought some of that off & I was like whatever I'm leaving (while I still controled the frame), I might talk to you later...... frankly cause I needed to regroup. Later in the night she walks by and punched me in the gut playfully & walked away so I figured it was on but I didn't push it, got distracted with other targets never talked to her the rest of the night.

Then last night the minute I walk in I see her tell her friend "that's the guy & point at me" which I busted her doing. Took that as a good sign. I did my on thing for about an hour with my friends to not look to eager, & eventually made my way over picked a moment when the chodes were distracted dancing a few feet away when she looke bored & eased up beside of her & used a teasing opener. She was cold tough & next thing I know one of the high energy dancing chodes jumps in & hugs her & I was fucking blown out. She ignored me after so I after the hug & I just walked away, it was obvious he had more value than me & his high energy helped.

I've seen this chode with her before but not all the time, he's the least chody of the bunch & I have met him before, but I'm not sure he is her BF, because she was also rubbin on another chode there in front of him that looked like his buddy At 1st I took the coldness like "not now". IDK or really know what those relatioships were.

I don't think it's over, but I don't know the best way to proceed. How do you guys think I should handle it or what's your take.

well you can find out if she has a boyfriend by asking her 'you know i cant help but wonder...with you being such a cocky little shit and all, how on earth does your bfriend put up with you'...if she has bfriend it will come out in her answer. If she says she doesnt have a bfriend, reply by saying 'well thats probably for the best then!'.

this chick sounds like she has alot of game so youre going to have to play hard ball by the sounds of it. try game her indirectly by making her jealous with other women. literally walk past her hand in hand with another girl having the time of your life and issue some teasing comment to her as you walk by. make sure shes see's you having fun and being the life of the crowd. then try approach again once youve noticed she is getting a bit jealous,looking your way constantly and regretting the fact that she ever blew you off.

call her out on putting on this hardcore bitch act around guys, and that deep down shes really just a shy, friendly and AWESOME girl, and that by all means please carry on with the bitch act as you actually find it kinda cute. Its amazing how their attitude changes after this one. they feel the need to live up to your comment/compliment and you'll more often than not see the real her revealed.

and if she blows you out again (like by giving some guy a hug and then ignoring you)...i would leave it at that and say...you know your little act is getting a bit boring for me now, im off to chat to someone fun (turn and leave). she may try seek approval on the spot to try and prove she is fun and not the bitch you have called her out on. either that or she wont say a word and will be thinking 'shit i took it too far, ive lost him'. from there on (if she really likes you) her attitude will have transformed completely to the 'nice' her. anyway thats the way i would play that one. if her attitude doesnt change after that I would move on as shes probably just in it for the attention and truely is a biatch.

Thanks for the responses bro. IDK, I think I'd rather not know if she has a boyfriend or bring that up & just game like she doesn't. Like you say she'd tell me if she did or didn't like me, but I can't really imagine she does have one unless it's long distance the way she has different chodes around every week & tools them by rubbing on them etc.
Man I have never seen a chick tool so many guys. I have a feeling if I can ever actually get into comfort or more I'll never be able to relax. Like if I look weak one time I'll be thrown in the chode group. I like challenges though obviously.
I agree, I'm think I have to be a bit cold & like I don't give a shit & just go about my normally buisness & let her send a signal.
I love this one. I've actually heard Mystery say something similar on an infield video where this chick shit test the shit out of him, & finally after he works through most of them he's like ...

"this if fun but at some point in our relationship building your going to have to turn off the bitch shield. I know it will be hard for you but i'm sure you're a princess and hav'e burried her deep inside somewhere."

Thinking about using something like that, because I haven't even been able to get in a normal conversation with her just shit test. Think I try to say..

"look I'm persistant & your acts been interesting, but at some point you got to turn it off so we can actually talk, im sure there's a normal girl buried in there."

I think there probably is because I'd seen her 1 time outside the bar at a fast food joint, & she looked insecure. I think it's all an act.
I tried to slip in & blow the chodes out the last time cause I expected I could after those signs she sent, but I should have known those last chodes were doing very well if they were dancing & she was having fun even if she was taking a break, so I KNOW i'm going to have to really pick my spot when I do approach again. That's why I think I got to go cold with her, have my own fun and let her signal me. Sucks cause I lose some power that way instead of just rolling up strong like I had, but I think it's nessassary this time.

Sucks is in retrospect how I played it too. The chode that blew me out, I had met so I wish I had talked to him first, let her see I knew him for social proof & that I could disarm him, then caually been like whats up to her as if I was just meeting his friends. Maybe even asked if he knew this girl, & I've seen her in here before & warn him she's trouble or something like that. Would have been a great approach but I got to eager and didn't watch what was going on well enough. He knows me from a open mic where I played, so that would have probably came out too as a good DHV when she asked how she knew me. UGGh could have been beutiful.

well it sounds like you at least know what you could have done to make things go smoother from the beginning, so something has been learnt already which is great. let us know how it go's. she sounds like a nightmare!! (or should I say...'challenge'

Yeah bro, I'll have to say this whole sarge has been fun as hell turning even if it's a headache. She's a great tease & it's been a very playful back and forth game.

Felt good to have the upperhand for a little bit, but shes got it back or at least got it neutral again. That could have even been some of why she ignored me IMO. After I busted her telling her friend read her lips saying "that's the guy" & pointing at me, (I even made a cocky thumbs up so she knew I'd busted her) so it was obvious I had made an impression & had the upperhand. My guess is some of it might have been getting that back.

Sucks though because I feel myself kind of getting wrapped up in the outcome now & know I got to fucking get that out my head or it'll blow it up if I become needy or let her kill my state at all. Which she kind of did last time & I just hope her friend didn't see and tell her.

Been working on a routine. Been all natural & haven't planned anything out in months like this but I want to be prepared. What you guys think or think?

Basically want to get in get the number & get out quick, while my impression is good, cause in that setting she will beat me. Seems like the best way I can craft. What you think. If she says no, I'll whisper "I know you can't with your friends around, so write it down, find me later and slip it to me." If she still doesn't I think I might even slip it to her before I leave just to put this sarge to bed either way.