What do you guys think of dating sites and have you ever used them? I'm sure they have their pro's and con's, but they do appear to be a good method for people who have trouble opening

Do not use dating sites.

As Mystery said, go out in the field and experiment.

How do you think you'll get better if you don't interact with the female!

Even if you "hit it off" on this site, then you talk to her, then what? You haven't built any Kino escalation and/or comfort.

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I have to say I agree with BadolzoN, go out and game girls in real life. I've met a couple girls through dating sites, but it's really hard to judge what they are like simply by chatting online.

I'd say its easier on those sites. The only downside is the cost. Then again there are chatrooms but those are quite risky (as is anything in life, really). Another thing to think about it, is the success rate like from what I've seen on EHarmony.

It depends what you're looking for. I think dating sites are a useful tool. However, they are more focused on people looking for a long term relationship. These sites are fairly effective because they match you based on your internal attributes. However, if you are looking for closes or really just to have a little fun I think gaming is the best way to go. Even if you choose the dating site route, though, try to internalize some of the game so you still get the opportunity to work with it on a live target. The girl you meet on the dating site could become a hired gun. Use every opportunity you can to improve your game. Best of luck.

There is nothing wrong with dating sites. They just offer another way to get girls.
Actually you can build comfort online with out kino and you can do the same in real life with out kino even.

True, but nonetheless, you don't know if it's actually the girl for you unless you know her in real life.

Maybe she has an annoying tick where she twitches her eye that bugs you SEVERELY or maybe her vagina smells like a dead racehorse?

You never know, I've learned that girls that date online are generally less attractive and have something to hide.

This is a "Safe" alternative to dating.

But much like performing on stage, being "safe" isn't always going to get you the most success.

Beautiful girls are found in loud places, places where they feel safer.

You'll very rarely see a beautiful girl spending her time online.

Now I'm not trying to downside any of your opinions, I'm taking this from the experts.

I follow the Mystery Method and this is well what he says in essence.

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Well I use dating sites a lot and they are both good and bad.

They are a way to get used to meeting women and doing rapport, escalation,close etc. That way if you get a number out in the field you will already be well practice at taking from that stage.

I've gotten scarily good at online game actually - I once made contact with a woman, moved to msn, and had her ask me to come over and spend the night with her, all in the same day. One tip I would pass on is to always let the woman make to first overt reference to sex because it lets them feel in control, but once that's happened then you can ramp it up pretty quickly and they wont get spooked.

The downside is that it lets you neglect the real life approach which is my weak point. I'm thinking of doing a bootcamp or something actually to blast that weakness. Still it seams that some people on here have the opposite problem to me - they can approach but have trouble escalating and closing, they might do well to use dating sites to refine their closes.

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I have to disagree with that one point. I know plenty of women that won't bring up sex first because they don't feel comfortable doing it. They think that if they bring it up first they will seem slutty. It is generally more acceptable for guys to talk about sex because they won't be perceived as sluts.

You mention that it would let her have the control...is that positive. I like my guy to be in control more. I prefer masculine traits and I look to him to lead, not follow. If the guy doesn't bring up sex at some point (or even innuendos) I don't really feel any sexual tension and thus no desire to have sex with him.

Ive had more luck with reponses using what Deangelo teaches, but I never get past the 3rd email. I end up being a bore after that..I lose substance to talk about.

I have ONE i talk to on yahoo, and I do not find her very attractive. cute yes, but not very attractive overall. she has given me signs to ask her to coffee or whatever. Should I just take a fucking chance and meet her, and get to know her for the experience at least?

i think as a general rule you should ask a girl out for coffee of a drink on or by the 3rd email. get to know the person in real life, not online. forget talking to people on yahoo before you get to meet them....in my experience that always makes me not want to meet up with them.

DISAGREE there are people who get a lot of women through dating sites. It is perfectly normal to use them to get your girls. David D's two long time Girlfriend's were from some dating sites.
If your game is structured in a way that you'd like the girl to bring up sex than thats the way you should continue. But for the rest I would suggest that thi sis not always the case.

Being a guy, I am very sexual. I would even tell a girl that I met that I'm in mood for sex for tonite. I dont wait for the girl to bring up sex and dont hesitate talking about whats on my mind with her. But you have to be confident.
Invite them to have coffee with you. You are spending too much time online with them.

Ultimately, you will never learn to truly be a master pick-up artist if the majority of your game is online.

If you find success with doing so, go for it.

I'll stick to my real game.

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Thats a very sweeping generalization here....

Lol. That would make a terrible E-Harmony commercial.