Hey JSmooth,

I've been reading through the thread, about half way through so far. Much respect to you for doing this. Really helping guys out, giving me some useful pointers too.

Now, many years ago when I was in my AFC days, I'd use the dating sites as AA was an issue and I was and still am living in a foreign country where English isn't the native language. But I met tons of girls, many very hot indeed, and had a lot of success with it. Then I discovered the community and I went onto day/night game with equal success.

Now with all the knowledge I've learnt from the community, my skills are much improved and my confidence soaring, I went back online, did my profile in the Style way. Being a Cocky funny ass.

Result? Success. The HBs lap it up. Some have already commented after just a day how I stand out from the crowd. I've been using different approaches. Some indirect/direct compliments, opinion openers, busting on them, negging etc.

My question though is about getting her to qualify. I've done this and I'm getting the girls to respond by listening three qualities so it does work. They are jumping through my hoop. But I kind of getting the feeling that it's been used to soon. Wouldn't we be getting her to qualify in A3 after we have shown interest. One might argue that simply by sending her a message is opening and sending interest. I get the feeling that the ones replying to the qualification test feel a bit weird, one girl commented on whether it was an interview.

I'd just like to express my gratitude to you again, might be back to you with a couple of questions as things develop with some of the many girls I've already got interested in me.

Lastly, I'd say that the best approach is to bust her balls on something that she lists in her profile or is shown in her picture. Throw a neg or two depending on her rating. Be very C&F, show that you're fun and interesting. Get the right profile, be a C&F ass. I looked at a lot of the other guys profiles, OMG, a lot of wussies, nice guys and everyone sounded just like everyone else, listing their likes and whatnot (yawn!).
I'm just not sure about qualifying her in the first contact message, would like your opinion on that matter. Plus once I've built the attraction, do you think I should turn down/off the cocky as I go into comfort. I know you feel and I agree that when you meet up you should revisit A2 and build attraction again up to comfort.

Thanks for the reply JSmooth. Much appreciated.

I know back many years ago when I was an AFC. I had some good internet game thanks to being fun and nteresting, but without the C&F and building attraction. I met tons of girls, had lots of great times, but I think I missed out on a lot. I still find that with doing what I am now it's kind of the same thing. It seems to me that you need to calibrate big time. It's hard to know at times, sometimes their profiles don't give much, mostly they just ramble about the same boring things that guys do to girls, lol.

Anyhow, I've been lucky enough to get some girls open me. None are what I'm looking for as I think I've opened all of the HBs I wanted already. There aren't many HBs here in my country unfortunately online. But, what's your take on handling a girl who opens you. Are we in A3 or C1 already as they have given 101s? I recall learning that if a girl ever opens you either day or night game that's an IOI and you don't need to neg, DHV or open her. You basically just need to build comfort and start kino escalating. Obviously I can't do any kino online, so where to go with this?

I've had girls qualifying themselves, but it does feel weird to them and me both. So, I'll take your advice and use that later on. In fact, I'm following Style's 7 step formula. I noticed that a lot of members were asking about this and I have a link for it. So just ask me or I'll put it in this thread if you like JSmooth. it's very useful for taking it from the opening all the way to f-close. HAHA. It's funny that both Style and DD say that they have met some of the best women ever online.

The juggler method i refering to.
From my understanding it is making the person invest via making effort of the open ended question.
As in if i ask an opened ended question, and she dodges,
"Oh well yer someone asked me that the other day and i was toatlly lost, it chocked me a little too.
What i meant was..." Then refraising the question so that she does answer...

What essentailly am getting at is is it true that the more obvoius effort behind the message the more lickly it is that she will follow through...
(excause the lack of 10 frame)

I find that the women who want long term converluse online in a much longer and committed way. Whilst those looking for freinds do not...
Is this true or am i not making it work with the non relationship types?

JSmooth.

Here is the link to Style's 7 step formula: http://www.seductiontuition.com/neil-st ... -game.html

I won't copy and paste to here as it's a long old read, but some excellent points. So I encourage everyone to take a read.

I'm having lots of success with it and the use of the MM. I'm even suprised how much girls are qualifying themselves to me in the initial contact. It's eye opening to say the least. Oh and the divorce roleplay is working a treat with a few of them. Great stuff.

And get this, I've even had women do the bitching thing about my C&F profile, they send some snarky email, I reply with added cocky funny and then they come back tail between their legs as their shit tests have failed. It's amazing to see this stuff happening.

Hey do you have any advice for sending messages on a site like adultfriendfinder? Because I don't seem to be having any luck on there.
The profile is fine, and I don't mean to brag but I have a great body and I look good in all of my pics. For the profile I followed Styles idea of writing as a selfish choosy asshole. I've had girls messaging me first, but the problem is once I message them back or message them first they dont reply. I can manage it on normal sites but not on this site where the girls are looking for sex.
So what sort of thing should I be saying differently on here? Or should they be much different to normal?

Not sure where else this would go. So heres my question and a little detail of it.

few nights ago i picked up this girl, had my 2friends with me, and she had 1friend with her. We kinda flirted a bit but i was to chicken-shit to escalate any further,(Furthest i got was licking whip-cream off her hand i know, weak) and i'm disappointed in myself but wanna try and redeem myself. Anyway, I got her number, text her but no answer. So the next day i find out her phone is a home phone and she doesn't recieve text messages. And out of curiousity i looked on myspace for "_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _" and i found her profile. My question is, would it be a little strange if i were to message her on myspace and say hey blah blah blah we hung out the other night tried to text u etc etc. Or would it be better to just call her at her house as i'm planning to invite her out to a party this weekend (If i can find one)

I know this only has a LITTLE bit to do with online sarging, but i feel very awkward using myspace as gaming tool as i feel the rules are very different. And i do not wanna come across as the weird guy she met who stalks her via myspace, because thats definitely not it lol.

Thanks, ~Jay.

Jay,

She gave you her number so that you can call her. Online Game is slow and not a good alternative to not calling. This is like taking steps back instead of forward. I would certainly call her, and invite her out to do something! Since you admitted that escalation was weak and things of that nature. I would invite her out to do something with friends, and invite her to bring friends along. This can ease the social pressure of a "date" if you will by allowing friends to be there.

If you are confident in your number close and feel that it was a very strong feeling and emotions with you two then just invite her out on a date to do something with you. I'll let you be the judge of this since I wasn't there when this occured.

Don't resort to MySpace as a gaming tool at this point. Phone Numbers are a much better contact method. Besides she gave you the number when she didn't have to.

Best of luck,

Jon

Hey man!

I have the following problem, thought you could share your experience with me. I've posted it in 'Newbie' section at first, but then realized, that was not the right place for it.

I've been using online dating for quite a while now. As I practised PUA, my game apparently got better and I started getting better chicks through these websites.
Now I almost always date HB7-HB8.

However, as my bar went up, I came across another problem. These online chicks tend to flake A LOT! It's like 7 out of 10 times, I get a text 3-4 hours prior to the meeting like "sorry, I can't meet you today" (with no reason or another date suggestion given). Or some silly excuse e.g. "I am too tired after work".

Once when I had a story like that, I called girl back straight away and told her in a serious voice "Ok, I am giving you 10 seconds to change your mind". It worked pretty well and we still met later that night. She admitted, that she was shocked to see me act like that, because (like she said) "guys rarely call back after messages like that".

Does that mean, that this is what they do quite often? Really, after that, you don't really feel like calling her again. I understand, that girl does not know me yet, so I should not take this personally or as a 'fuck off' rejection.

I also came up with some other ideas. For instance, when 'she's tired', I say 'oh, your stamina is so low. you probably won't handle even one date with me' (works as well) or 'think twice - what's better. to stay at home (thing you could do every night for the rest of your life) or have fun with an attractive young guy'. Anyway, it's still annoying.

So, did you experience the same trouble? Is it some sort of shit test or what? How do you act in a situation like that?

When I am dating girls through these websites, I rarely get involved in a long chat. Usually I take her number after 6-7 messages and then call her. If we get on on the phone, if she sounds positive, friendly, gives a lot of lols, then I arrange a date.