as I mentioned in my introductory post, getting the second date is a sticking point for me. Let me try to explain what I am currently doing, so that you can critique or whatever:

1) get the 1st date: I usually succeed in being funny and confident etc. I often succeed in getting the girl to like me, holding her hand, and about half the time I get the kiss on the first date. I don't make any plans during the first date.

2) I won't call for a few days, but I do often succumb to the temptation of sending and receiving little texts messages. They are usually little compliments or flirty banter.

3) I'll call...and its half and half at this point: half the time it'll become an in depth conversation, and half the time (moreso lately) I'll keep it strictly for planning the next meet.

Problem is, the next meet is rarely happening. This is usually where the girls flake. This is where I get the "friends" speech, or the "you're too recently out of relationship speech" or even the trail just goes cold: little or no contact.

So whats the deal: any suggestions?

You are letting the girls know too early on that you are way to into them, or you are
giving off the vibe that they have you, so they do not need to work for you no more.

Be more of a challenge not just cocky and funny.

If you are not a challenge to her, then she will lose interest fast and move on.

If you keep getting the LJBF speech... you are really sending off the vibe that you
like her too much and that she knows she has you right where she wants you...

BE A CHALLENGE. Don't give in too easy.

Oh, about the phone calls... after about 10 minutes, HAVE SOMETHING TO DO so
you have to get off the phone.. end the conversation first, never let her end it first..

You don't have to tell her that you have to watch this TV show that's coming on...
Just get off the phone by telling her that you have something to do and you will
TALK to her later.. don't tell her that you will call her later..

If she calls you back like a few hours later, answer the phone and tell her,
"Still busy, try me again later." and hang up the phone...

Even if you are just sitting there watching TV or whatever.. then, when she calls
you back later on.. talk to her for 20 minutes and then tell her,
"Let's get together tomorrow and hang out for a few since I am too busy to talk
right now.."

Let her say some crap about her being busy tomorrow or whatever, then tell her,
"No.. you're not doing that.. I'll meet you at [place] around [time].. bye."

HANG UP...

This should destroy all the above mentioned stuff that you are sending out to her
female radar...

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i think alot of the time you need to just close the deal more on the 2nd date. If you don't feel its appropraie then just let it slide like forgotten about her then she will be much more receptive to a 2nd date (maybe wait a week without texting)

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