First of all, thanks for the advice and the information.

I know that the reality of PU (and of life) is not the same as it is on tv or some other commercial thing because there its all about the money.

But you are talking about that I'm too young and that the PU community can have a bad influence on me.

To get this straight, im not insane or in mature or some kind of pathetic loser. I just got something that I want to improve in myself just as all the other Pua's.

I chose this whole pua thing as the way to get rid of my problem with girls.

And I have found my identity, I know what I stand for (My hobby is breakdance or bboying, in bboying its all about confidence, attitude, endurance and having your own way of doing things, your own style)

I think that what doesn't kill you makes your stronger so I AM gonna see and do somekinda newbie mission with my friends, have a laugh and then make my decision.

So wish me luck, im gonna need it;)

First off, I'll be teaching my son/daughter social skills when they're old enough to communicate. Social skills are important . . . period.

However . . . what exactly is a PUA? I think everybody has different ideas.

To me anyways . . .there is no such thing as a PUA who is under say . . . 28 . .
probably more like 33 . . .

This simply isn't possible based on what I consider PUA. Sure, some kids can go to clubs and bars or parks and pick up numbers and get laid with certain niche ladies. I haven't seen ANY younger aged kids who have the style and "life base" to be able to make a run with a whole spectrum of ladies . . . all ages from all walks of life. To me . . .this is a PUA: A guy I can drop in any part of the World in ANY party from the teen age house party to the ritzy black tie on a 150ft yacht and just make it work smooth . . .

Figuring out the girls in your little school is the first step . . .

I agree with the others. You are too young to become a PUA. Youre just a kid (well meant). Enjoy your youth. Make lots of friends, be social, go to parties, be everyones friend in school. Keep up with your breakdancing, dont quit, get really n good at it.

Do these things, and youll be fine enough as it is. Later, if youre hungry for more, lets say when you get about 17 or 18, i suggest you read some material related to the art of PU. Listen to the people here, you are too young, but youre not too young create social circles and be a cool kid.

FYI Sinn tried to kill himself after sleeping with a 160 women while he was the lead instructor in the Mystry Method school or what ever they call it.

Sinn DOES NOT take students under 21yrs of age because he personally believes that it is too young and that in hinders ones personal development.

So cidane if you are using Sinn as an exmple I have news for you mate. He himself thinks that 21 yrs and below guys are too young to learn this stuff and that he had made a MISTAKE.

WTF!! He tried to kill himself??! Damn he must be desperate! And how can you be desperate after sleeping with 160 women?! pls explain

You must mean depressed.

Theres a few other things to life than women, and one of those things must have been fucked up. None of our business afaik.

You must mean depressed.

Theres a few other things to life than women, and one of those things must have been fucked up. None of our business as far as im concerned.

I think its too young to start LEARNING game, but not to young to start looking into its concepts and theories.
At your age, your better set looking at body language, social skills and social psychology of PUA rather than the actually details of negs and routines and all that junk.

Look at the reasons why the PUA things work, like social value, attraction switches and all that sort of stuff. But stay away from the social robot, routines and techniques sides of things in my opinion.
This way, you will develop your own style of game that uses the correct idea's of PUA, without risking becoming a rAFC.

I am a little tired now but let me still try to explain for the benefit of my under 21 yrs fellow wanna be PUAs.

When you are 14yrs old, you have a lot going on for you and look forward to. This is the time that you should develop great skills such as basketball, racket ball, swimming, dancing, music etc.. What ever you like and make friends naturally. You should be making friends and drawing people to you because of your qualities and personality and that would help you develop you inner game, which is BIG once you grow up. Your edu., great school, great degree etc, will make you the interesting person towards whom women would gravitate AND I AM SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE.

A PUA, as kasabi pointed out, unless you are say 33yrs old or so and experienced you cant call yourself a PUA. I'm over 28 but there are many sides to the game that I am not very good at handling yet and hence wouldnt call myself a PUA. E.g. when I come across a girl who has daddy issues or deep inner game issues I have to question myself whether I can correctly manage expections with her. If I have the slightest doubt of being able to manage her expectation then I just walk away and leave that girl for more expert guys like Kasabi and the others

Pua is much more than getting laid and it has a lot to do with managing expectationsAnd there are a lot of things that go into being a PUA such as:

1) Can you spot an LSE and decide where you want to lead the conv. and not just have sex with her and leave her worse off.

2) Do you know how to manage expectations.

3) Girls with issues, are you ready to walk into the life of someone like this and leave her with feelings and thoughts that she would treasure for the rest of her life. She would be better than what you found her.

4) Can you handle the reputation of being called a ladies man.

5) Are you Ok with the 'talk' people may have behind your back.

So getting laid after a frat party or in a parking lot doesnt make you a PUA.

PUA is the art of seduction and before your personality has fully developed, I would say by 25yrs old or whatever I dont think you should be getting into it. Its like teaching a 5 yr old about sex!

SINN, well he wasnt desperate, but in his own words he started seeking validation for himself by the number of women he slept with. He and most others get good at the club game but then you put them in a library and they dont know what to say. Its a natural process and thats the reason you would see posts in here from guys who are confused about this stuff. Its pretty obvious.

You might find a nice girl and get married to her by 22yrs of age and have an excellent relationship without even ever having to read this thing. You might develop a great personality and what PUAs call strong inner game that gravitates women towards you naturally. How would you ever know if you dont give yourself and your emotions to develop naturally

Hence at 14yrs old my friend I would say that this is the time you can make life long friends, create great bonds and friendship because its an innocent way. Go ahead and let yourself grow naturally into a great person. Comeback here when ever you want to get some advise on a girl or something or when you thing a relationship is not working out and we'd try to help you. But dont be afraid to get out there, make mistakes and learn naturally.

Lastky, try to be this guy who can walk into a church and through his charm and positive energy draws people towards him, every parent's dream son-in-law, Try to be this person who can walk into a classroom and teachers love him, guys want to be his friend and women want to be seen around him. Be this guy who is the rockstar of the school, a superstart at work and every bosses delight, a pride of the community. And try to be all of this in a naturally.

And yes fin, i agree with you

but i waznt trying to tell my succes story i was trying to prove of point.

and i just learned the basics from mystery, and thats about it.

im very mature for my age, and im not just saying that, because if you every got to know me, you would see why

the way i looked at all the pua stuff,

was opertuninty to have a better life style for me, so it didnt get worse later, so i started it out young, and people would agree with me that would had had it better if they did.


everything that happens to you as a child effects you in some type of way. some are dramatic, some can be slim.

i did this so for my friends have that one girl they always wanted to talk to, i can help them step by step so they wont have to wonder why it didnt work out.


and i did it for my benifit as well

i grew up with a very non social big brother, and like everyone else that have siblings, i looked up to him, and copied his ways like anyone else would

this was my complete down fall.

i didnt go out side much, i was bombarded with video games, and i was extremely shy

so when i was in middle school, i got dissed alot. didnt know why, and it really bothered me.

so i wanted to change that, and thats what i did

so what exactly do you want this young PUA to do man?

and i really agree with you.

and im doing exactly that im trying to inrich my life

shit im a basketball player/ pianoist/ drawler/actor

i saw this as knowlege is power.

and i know not to abuse the power of all the things ive learned

and i really have to thank you for posting this, maybe i should have let it happened naturaly

but i had to know why

This is a great post ^ You have broken down everysingle thing very well and sooooo clearly. I think I know better now about what mindset I need to have while I'm learning gaming. Thank you Marc for posting this.

Sorry kid, but you need to focus on other things at your age then becoming a PUA. I heard your at your age, chicks dig smart kids? But asides from that, at your age, you are way too limited. (no car, no money, no job) You're not going to get far.....Give it a few more years young jedi

Your anology was a success story whether you intended it or not


Telling your success story is not a bad thing it proved it's point perfectly.

What would I have this guy do... well I'll tell him.

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Fuck the PUA stuff NOW!

You have barely developed a sexual taste and a libido for that matter, socially you are still developing as well as emoitonally, you do not want anything to get in the way of this. If you get what is naturally suppose to happen now to go smooth then you'll probably end up a natural THEN when you are 18-19, when you have life experience, when you have developed more, when you understand the things that PU cannot teach you, THEN you will have a much stronger base to approach PU from.

You jump in now, and yeah it may work, but I haven't met you, so it really could go horribly wrong on an epic proportion.

I have rarely buy that "I'm just improving myself" bullshit when it comes to minors, becuase I hvae never met a young adolescant in PU who has honestly been motivated by this, so far when you get to the bottom of it, their driving aim is to be some "pimp" character that has been taught to them by MTV and VH1.

They are not looking for a better self, rather a high five in the changing rooms.

My advice is live your life, go out, meet friends, arranging fishing trips, focus on your schooling, get good at them, focus on your friends, focus on meeting friends INCLUDING GIRLS, give a year or so and maybe get a girl friend, have a summer job, learn a musical intrument, learn a martial art, learn another launguage, start a band, join a sports team, learn to paint.

And if all that kinda stuff does fail, get communication skill lessons, but avoid PU for now.

Thier is so much that you can do that would be far more helpful to your life and thus (eventually if you choose it) PU. I'm wouldn't recommend PU lessons to a developing teen in the same way I wouldn't recommend basket ball lessons to new born infant.

Yeah it COULD turn out well, but theirs such a sensitive process going on it's best not to mess with it.

But hey your 14 you're full of adolescant impatience and your probably going to ignore this, what do I know, hey I'm 19 on thursday, I joined here when I was 17, I nearly got lead down a bad path but I avoided, but in hindsight I was close, and I've read some of the stuff in the community and I know expose it to a developing teen and you've got a problem.

So even if you do choose to ignore us all, please, for my consience at least, be careful.

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Kasabi: I disagree with your idea of a PUA, I take the term literally as I see a PUA as someone who looks at seduction attraction as an art form, someone who doesn't just enjoy but appreciates the process, as oppossed to just reaping the rewards.

But hey that's my overly romantic mind at work