sorry, jumped the gun a bit, was chatting to her on msn, decided i wasnt going to play her silly little game anyway

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Hey thanks for your help so far man,

You really are smooth. Wonder if you can help me out even more.

So I responded with what you said partially then of course added me own spin.

Here was my reply.

Wardah, pleasure to meet you. That is amazing that you managed to save Prince Harry's butt. You do sound like a down to earth person. I'm the same way as you in that I'd do almost anything for my family and friends. Seems like I'm everyone's big brother. I'm curious what was growing up like for you? Let me guess the whole PG-13 type girl? Girl guides, honour badges and halo's! Or was it rebel bully where there was guiltless fruit roll-ups and jello pudding snacks from the smaller kids?

Then her reply was;

Funny you bring up the fruit roll ups. I was the mean older sister who would challenge my younger sister to a 'game'. My mom would give us each fruit rolls (we lived in Saudi and that was like wow wow rare), so I'd tell my sister who was probably 6 at the time, that who ever finishes their fruit roll up first is the 'winner'. I'd shove my fruit roll up in my mouth, and then tell my sister to give me hers so she could be the 'winner'. It worked everytime until my mom witnesses my game lol.

I was a good girl overall though. I had my good and bad moments and still do. What about you?
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What should I say here....DHV...negs, baiting...IOI's? Any of knowledge and skill could help me some more. I really wanna hook this one good. She is a HB10 from Saudi. Wish I could show you a pic.


Thanks again in advance,

Jef_Journey,

I like helping you and don't mind your questions. But there comes a point where is this you picking up this girl or is it me picking her up? I know she's hot and you want her...there are other girls. If we screw up no big deal. We learn best from goofing up. Then comes the issue of congruency...

Anyways, I don't want to leave you completely hanging. You need to just tell her stories. Talk about your good and bad moments. Insert DHV spikes where you can. Right now you just need to focus on building some common ground with her and inserting the DHVs where you see an opportunity.

Jon

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Hi JSmooth,

I'm online sarging and met this interesting girl. She wrote a msg to me to begin with and things are slowing to a crawl, but she's still responding. I prefer to build some comfort before asking for aim/number before moving to a meet... but this girl is avoiding every neg, DHV, playful joke, and is just downright not answering questions every though i'm trying my best to lead and steer her back to motivation/dreams.

Any help or should I just ask for number and chat with her abt it, or did I miss a step somewhere between attraction and comfort?

Thanks for your help!

Brokeboy,

It sounds like we might have strung out things too long before asking for her aim or number and not escalating to that. If she is not responding to your DHV and negs then maybe attraction just isn't there for her. Granted a certain amount of attraction can be created and generated but it just might not be there. I'd stop chasing this and just start over.

Without your conversations I couldn't honestly say if the error was in attraction or comfort. I wouldn't worry about it too much, can't change the past just look for the present.

Jon

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Well thanks for you help, I really do appreciate it.

So what do think about what I just sent to her, now?

I should have got your input before I sent it but I am pretty confident in what I wrote back and like you said I got to learn things on my own and pick her up myself. Thanks for that little push,

Her response to me was;

Funny you bring up the fruit roll ups. I was the mean older sister who would challenge my younger sister to a 'game'. My mom would give us each fruit rolls (we lived in Saudi and that was like wow wow rare), so I'd tell my sister who was probably 6 at the time, that who ever finishes their fruit roll up first is the 'winner'. I'd shove my fruit roll up in my mouth, and then tell my sister to give me hers so she could be the 'winner'. It worked everytime until my mom witnesses my game lol.
I was a good girl overall though. I had my good and bad moments and still do. What about you?
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My response was;

Hahaha, that is your definition of a mean older sister? Why did I know you were going to stick to the PG stories about you? Let me sum up my childhood as briefly as I can. I have 3 sisters no brothers. Even though they had been horrible at times (they had me convinced I was adopted from a chinese family and once dragged me to kindergarden in a dress). Believe me I wish I could erase some of the vivid memories, hahaha. But I can still remember many times that they came in the door with tears streaming down there faces to me about a boy that called them a name or threw sand at them. I can remember the boy that threw sand at my little sister very well. His name was Joey, and let's just say he could describe the taste and texture of sand after that day, LOL. I thought it was clever since he was probrably guilty of calling her names as well.

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It looks longer in here I checked it out by sending it to my POF email 1st before I sent it off to her. hahaha!

What do you think about what I wrote. It is already sent but I really want to learn how to write good emails. So I can get the hang of it....I thought i put a lil neg in there with the whole "why did I know you were going to stick to your PG stories." And DHV with the protector of loved ones. And the fact that I dont hold grudges and my family is important to me.

Let me know what you think man


Thanks again.

I need some help i have this girl who I know pretty well she is hb 7 she sent me a facebook request which I added to my friends list.
she known me for a while and I know her from the local club scene what could I do on facebook to build attraction with her to the point of want to go out and sleep with me.

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Hey J,
I posted some questions a couple weeks ago about the girl I was talking to on facebook and I think I hit some sort of wall. So we continued the convo a little more through the facebook inbox and one day, after I replied to one of her messages, she saw i was online at the same time as she was so she sent me that little IM message thing on the bottem right of facebook. we talked for maybe ten minutes and then she had to go to work. I took it as an IOI that she would IM at the time. Now here is my problem. Ever since the IM convo, i have not recieved anymore messages through the facebook inbox (which I think she figures is pointless because we can chat on the IM). And another problem is that I cant chat with her on the IM because she doesnt seem to be online at the same time as I am. Its been like almost a week since we've spoken and im wondering should I send her a message through the inbox (then that will make 2 in a row for me) or should i wait it out and see if i can catch her online at the same time as me and send her the IM, or what do you suggest i can do to recapture her attention.

Thanks
SLeven

Ok so there is a post before this today(which I accidentally double posted somehow), she responded to the message that i sent to her which I am confused as to where i have landed myself with this.

Here is her response;

haha fine all my childhood stories are PG.. shouldn't they be

Or were you looking to find a girl with issues lol.

If you want meaner stories:
1. I used to pretend like I was possesed and pull my hair over my eyes to scare my two little sisters.
2. I'd pretend I was choking
3. Id jump in their beds and rolls over them for fun/ steal blankets.
4. I stole stuff when I was 8. My friend Henrietta was 3 years older than me. She told me that her and her mom had gone to a gold jeweller (in Saudi) and she swiped a gold bracelet. She then dropped it in the cab on their ride home, and pretended like she had found it, and her mom let her keep it. I tried to steal a nasty plastic bead necklace, and then drop it in my own car on the ride home. My mom's like 'wait a minute, thats the necklace you wanted from the store... wait till we get home'. I pretended to fall asleep in the car so I wouldn't get beat when I got home.

Thats about all the stories you probably want to hear for now lol.

(End of her message)

I don't understand where she is ending it at. On a good note? Or a bad note? saying that is all I want to hear from her.

I am confused. Should my next message commend her for giving me what I wanted from her, or did she take the neg in a bad way. It sounds like she had a rough childhood, and I accidentally opened a can of worms with the whole beating thing. Or she is really opening up to me. What do you read from this?

Your thoughts are great needed.

Jef_Journey,

I thought I remember writing something about going to far with helping you on this. As a matter of fact...
Yeah I did... Basically man if I continue to assist it's not going to be you picking her up. And if you get her in person with you she's going to notice you're not like me. Your words and actions and personality are not like mine. The issue of you not being congruent with you you protrayed yourself as being online is going to raise a red flag and she's going to bug out.

To answer some of your questions. She took your "neg" about PG stories as l you being literal. This is why negs are not good online. They don't know that you are teasing. They can't see your nonverbal information to know it's just you being funny they have to take the words as they are written. So this is why you got this type of response. However, she still complied with your request so you aren't out of the game yet.

Time to change topics from the childhood thing. We hit a sore spot on her. Change topics to anything, just keep her talking building rapport with her for a little bit more. Then we can go to ask her for her number and stuff.

Jon

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I have recently been reading juggler's ideas..
I came across investment and remembered how it was the women online who give more who meet me more!

What are you thoughts on this??

And how do you view open ended questions such as the one above ... HA HA HA!

Wolf101,

I am not an expert on Facebook...mostly just online dating sites but I'll try to provide some assistance anyways.

First off, I don't coach people on how to get lays anymore for personal beliefs and issues. However, with that being said let me answer your first question of building attraction with her to get a date.

If you know her from the local club scene and have the ability to work her in person you need to do it. Facebook is a very very poor substitute for doing work in person. Whenever you have the chance of seeing her in person to persue a relationship and build attraction you need to do it! It's so much easier, even though you might be a bit more nervous, and it creates a more lasting impression.

On Facebook. You basically need to start messaging her and when appropriate tease her, and be sexually playful. This will lead you in the right direction.

Jon

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SLeven,

I definitely think you should send her a regular message to follow up since it's been about a week. It's really all you have but I wouldn't rulling out looking for her on IM either if you get the chance. We have to be fairly proactive with this stuff. Send her a message, "Hey haven't heard from you in a while. Did you get eaten by a killer shark? It is shark week after all!" or something anything humorous to make it easy for her to respond back.

GOOD LUCK!

Jon

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Reactionz,

I love opened eneded questions especially online, but they work wonders in person too. So I would recommend using them whenever possible to elicit better responses from your target.

As for the Juggler idea, I'm not sure what you are referring to. I am not familiar with his method. Can you elaboate a bit for me on this one.

Jon

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Hey JSmooth,

I've been reading through the thread, about half way through so far. Much respect to you for doing this. Really helping guys out, giving me some useful pointers too.

Now, many years ago when I was in my AFC days, I'd use the dating sites as AA was an issue and I was and still am living in a foreign country where English isn't the native language. But I met tons of girls, many very hot indeed, and had a lot of success with it. Then I discovered the community and I went onto day/night game with equal success.

Now with all the knowledge I've learnt from the community, my skills are much improved and my confidence soaring, I went back online, did my profile in the Style way. Being a Cocky funny ass.

Result? Success. The HBs lap it up. Some have already commented after just a day how I stand out from the crowd. I've been using different approaches. Some indirect/direct compliments, opinion openers, busting on them, negging etc.

My question though is about getting her to qualify. I've done this and I'm getting the girls to respond by listening three qualities so it does work. They are jumping through my hoop. But I kind of getting the feeling that it's been used to soon. Wouldn't we be getting her to qualify in A3 after we have shown interest. One might argue that simply by sending her a message is opening and sending interest. I get the feeling that the ones replying to the qualification test feel a bit weird, one girl commented on whether it was an interview.

I'd just like to express my gratitude to you again, might be back to you with a couple of questions as things develop with some of the many girls I've already got interested in me.

Lastly, I'd say that the best approach is to bust her balls on something that she lists in her profile or is shown in her picture. Throw a neg or two depending on her rating. Be very C&F, show that you're fun and interesting. Get the right profile, be a C&F ass. I looked at a lot of the other guys profiles, OMG, a lot of wussies, nice guys and everyone sounded just like everyone else, listing their likes and whatnot (yawn!).
I'm just not sure about qualifying her in the first contact message, would like your opinion on that matter. Plus once I've built the attraction, do you think I should turn down/off the cocky as I go into comfort. I know you feel and I agree that when you meet up you should revisit A2 and build attraction again up to comfort.

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