okay so I have these 2 friends both girls who I used to know back in gradeschool. Im a junior now and FINNALY transfered to this public highschool I always wanted to go to. Okay so I decided to add my old friends on myspace who go to that school. I found all my friends including those 2. Now the one I used to like has a BF but the other one got really cute..... now I asked her out and fucked it up..... Before I knew the game I went out with her and didnt connected long story short we broke it off. But the thing is that she still likes to talk to me till 2 in the morning because I know the connection is still there see my online sarging is mostly perfect.. not trying to show off but idk online Im this cool guy everything changes for me.... normally Im a shy guy who doesnt talk to girls but online Im like this ALPHA dude who this girl likes. But the thing is that when we finally went out she was expecting this guy who she talks to 2 in the morning who she has sex dreams aboult and butterflys when she thinks aboult me and then gets this shy guy who didnt even talk to her most of the date (HELL I WAS NERVOUS...) Now the thing is that Im stuck in this LJBF mode for now. Now I think if I practice the game and run it on her I mean show that I am this guy she fell in love with online I think she would give me another chance....... now the 2 girls are tight friends and they hang out every chance they can. They invited me to the girl with the bf's house with my target. Now I think if I change my whole personality and run the game I learned openers and all to entice her for we havent hanged out in 2 years....Idk I think Im in the perfect posistion to run some game on her enough she'll want to get with me again. The thing is that after we broke it off I told her that what she met isnt me and I am the guy who she fell for online.... she believes me but she doesnt believe me and told me that we should try to be friends first so I think it would work out if I can pull it off so what you PUA think I should do?? and Im sorry this is so long Im excited and dont know how to put it in words. Were hanging out tomorow at the other girls house so any tips on how you would grab this one would help. I understand that some of you are gonna say F it theres more girls out there but I think this isnt a lost cause and I can nab this one if I try what I learn here.

You say you're alpha on internet,yet she's seen you act shy in person.

That,my friend is incongruence.

Normal case,failure.

You're case:Seems likely to fail.

She probably feels that you're friend material,and women base all their life decisions on feelings.

You should definitely try,but be warned:The odds are against you.

I wish you luck.

thanks Blackbull also I ment that I went out with her before I knew the game and failed. Now I do but I think theres still hope... anyone else have advice??

well first off dont really try and use openers on her since you already have a repore with her. You dont want to make it to obvious that you still want to get with her. I would recommend playing the hard to get guy. Play suave and smooth in person and keep the online chats to a minimum. Basically show her you have changed in person, and online. Play the opposite role as before, and dont think in your head you are trying to get with her. If you have it in your head, you will get shy. You want to be able to stand up strait, pump your chest out, and keep your head high. DHV by associating with other women and doing so around her to make her jelouse, and show her what she liked online in person to another woman. Then she will get more attracted to you cause she cant have you, and you are personifying what she first liked in you. When she does that, you can leave the girl you are using to make her jelouse, and get with her, but play you are distressed so she will give you a sympathetic shoulder, then make your move.

thanks the both of you I think your right for she loves going to the mall and the theater so ill try to dhv around her. Attract, comfort, seduction right? im learning to transgress from each phase. im gonna try to attract and see after she gives me a few ioi`s if i can try a tiny bit of kino when i hit that point. But she really wants me to come today so maybe i should blow her off to dhv the whole cat and string method and because i can run game but i want it to be perfect. I dunno wat to do any help?

rawwingman's idea sounds perfect i'd just like to add that i think you should be C&F, and just dont be afraid to speak up.

im sorry wing after a second glance, i get what yoursaying ane that sounds perfect so thanks from a fellow pua to another. still trying to decide if i should go today if i do then she gets what she wants which is lowering my value but if I dont it dhv and it lets her know im not that easy idk what to do?

Here's my take. I had a similar case myself about 4 years ago when I was a bAFC.

First off, on the internet you are not coming off as ALPHA but rather you are an AFC. The internet affords instant isolation and removes body language and cues of anxiety (BL, EC, and Speech patterns).

But what it removes is kino, and non-verbal IOI's. So ultimately unless your looking to cyber-sex like an AFC get off the damn internet with her. The inherent problem is that no matter how much you talk and build comfort and rapport with her online your are limited in your phase-shift to S1.

My situation was similar and I got played and used by the girl I was IM'ing. We would talk for hours online but whenever I saw her in person (at work) I would turn into my bAFC self and blow anything I had created through rapport. So I soon came to realize that I didn't possess the ability (game) to get out of this LJBF zone and got angry and angrier at my self. But because this girl was one of my one-itises I hanged on and became just an emotional sponge for her to tell all her problems to and someone to reaffirm how hot she was. I became her online boyfriend without the sex. But in the end I got nothing and everytime we talked online I just DLV'd myself so much to feed her ego.

So my advice is this. Stop being the sponge. Naturally if your going to stay in touch with her keep it short online but remember: you are not her boyfriend, if she wants someone to spout her emotional shit to, then tell her to call up a friend because you're too busy at the moment (cat string). Or if she 'really really' needs to talk to someone then you've got to do it in person (prepare for phase shift) and that your doing it because she a 'whiner' (NEG) and you just want her to stop bothering you (NEG).

Plus man, your in High School. Everything is drama to girls then and this is the breeding ground for social networking/isolating. Don't fall into the trap like I did, get out.

Hey I think holden is right man..... see I was her first BF but the thing is that she played me yet Im here trying to become her stupid sponge. Im hating it because talking to her for 2 or 3 hours straight on the phone and online for 2weeks in a row before we went out since I was on vacation. She wants that for its become a like daily excercise because I dont think anyone wants to talk to her till 2 or 3 in the morning on a school night or on the damn weekends so Idk what to do........ I mean i start school tommorow at a new public highschool so idk if I should just f it and work on my game at school since theres like a jazzilion HB's over there so Im just gonna give it up on this one. What I am gonna do is work on my game and perfect that shit Im gonna start working out so I can have a more than average body brush up my teeth so I can have pearly whites again, work on both inner and outer game because by the time my birthday comes which is in march Ill be 18 and able to hit the 18+ up clubs over here (I love chicago ) giving 7 or 8 months from now to get my game pefected so I think that its almost perfect with me driving and all so what you guys think??

Well as a fellow chit town guy i have to say good for you to get advice from a place like this. I would say make yourself unavailable to her, be available on your time only, not whenever she wants. I was in a similar situation with a woman until she decided she wanted to go LES. Which was ok cause I transferred her from possible, to a wingwoman. And she is better than a little kid or a dog in the park, cause women respond to other women better when it comes to a guy. I think she is an easy DHV since she is a HB9, and she will hang on me from time to time, and i will blow her off. I reccomend to as stated above by holden, when she calls tell her you are buisy and cant talk now, and maybe talk later. Dont make any promise to talk that day though, and after you hang up with her, dont talk to her again that day. Maybe talk to her the next day but on your time table. Use a false time clock with her to DHV when talking to her by saying hey I cant talk for long i have (whatever, make something up) to do. Do keep in mind she may ask how ( whatever you told her you were doing) it went. Make her think you are buisy all the time and dont necisarily have time for her so much. Cut the late night calls out completely, and use school to do that. Tell her you have homework to do or a project to do. If she asks why you didnt do that earlier, tell her you were buisy doing something and didnt have time. Make her think your time card is full, even if its not. I think if you cat string her you might reel her back in, but keep in mind it may be a lost cause so dont get attached..

Also, hit up zero G or any of the other 18+ clubs around that I can no longer get into. LOL Back when I was younger and could get into them there was the palidrome and so on. But most of those have an 18-22 or 23 limit, and I am 24. So get your game and do your thing

lol thanks wing. yea that sucks being over the age limit but I cant wait Im gonna go one step at a time sarging in school, outside when I can by the time I hit 18 I want my game to be almost flawless. Im gonna practice on inner game for like 2 months, pracitice outer game for 2months, develope my personality, learning going from stage to stage and learn how to read the signals. I cant wait man also thanks to everyone here who helped me personally here