As a premise I am a Filipino American in the Philippines so I am quite different from most of the people here already. I go to a strip club and have a stripper join me at my table. We talk, I buy her a few drinks, and eventually she asks me where I live. She tells me she can visit me there, and I act nonchalant and say maybe. We talk for a while, and eventually I say, "you want to visit me?" she nods. "ok sure why not we'll meet on Sunday" which is a few days later. She smiles, gives me her number and tells me her real name.

Two mornings later, I text her around the time her work ends (texting is much more common as a first contact than in the US) just "It's so and so (my name) from the other night. Good morning." That evening, she replies, "Gudpm (my name)... How are you? I miss you so much." I tell her "I'm great, just finished working and going to dinner at the Penninsula (trying to dhv), and you?" She doesn't reply. Then on Saturday morning, she texts me "Hi, we're having an event tonight at my club you come, I will wait for you I miss you so much." I tell her "I can't, but we will meet tomorrow at the complex where I live (which has apartments, a mall, restaurants, etc.)." She doesn't respond, so I then call her and it goes:

Me: "Hi, so you have a party at your club?"
Her: "Yeah, you come?"
Me: "No I have lots of work, but we'll meet tomorrow afternoon in the complex I live in and go out. What time do you wake up?"
Her: "I can be there at 2pm"
Me: "Ok we'll meet at 2pm, I'll text you the address."

I immediately text her the address and say please confirm asap. She doesn't respond. Next day it gets to be 3:00 and she's not there so I call her.

Me: "We were supposed to meet for lunch"
Her: "Lunch? No, dinner we'll meet."

Anyhow I tell her to just be clear about a time as I need to have a clear schedule and she tells me she will go to her club which is near where I live and text me and I can pick her up, including that she 'misses me.' She never texts, somewhat as expected. Anyhow I call her today and she says she got too drunk. I tell her to come her next rest day and tell her in a serious tone, "don't skip again, you'll be missing out." She laughs and says ok. What is going on here and what should I/should I have done?

eh - she's a stripper, they're flaky. It sounds like she wants you to go to her club. To get her you may have to show up at her club, buy a few drinks or whatever you do there then take her home.

Looks like she is milkin you for attention.
Flaky behavior in many instances is the result of giving too much attention and not establishing a strong sense of dominance.

I agree with you Tim, however the whole time I was with her I was purposely thinking about not seeming too interested, and how to make it clear that I wasn't just going to go to her club any time and drop money whenever she asked. I don't think I should go to the club and spend a bunch on her, as while that's what she wants me to do, it'll also establish me as her 'bitch'' to some degree, a guy who just does whatever she wants. So what's my move now? Move on? Go there and spend a bunch of money on another girl? Keep pursuing this girl but with a different angle?

pealers are stealers.. haha no seriously dude.

Hired guns are fun to play. But theyre flaky at times.

Thing with hired guns is that she can make YOU fall in love with her. believe it or not you have to play so fucking good in order to role reverse.

Now it seems that she had you spending some money buying her drinks. she gave you her number to hook-bait you ( as in fishing )... then she responds to your SMS and says she misses you ( another hook - bait ) Then she stops replying ( hook-bait-release. The next sms is her inviting you to come over to her club, something that means you spending more and more money. And then another hook- bait with her saying that she misses you.

You counter offer another date with a day scenario ( idea that she might not be into cuz she didnt respond ) and YOu had to call her. ( shes in control of the frame where its the guy chasing the girl )....

She misses lunch which might indicate she either had a guy over at her place. Shes got a bF, she was too drunk ( which is in for all matters a DLV ).. or shes just plain uninterested in dating you.

Next thing is that she gets control of the frame when she said "luch? NO, dinner well meet. "
by this point i would have totally forgot about her and not reply in any way or call her. but you did call her waiting for a logical explanation on her flaky attitude asking her to help you have a clear schedule ..or whatever. Remember its not good..... Q--""""Don't bother trying to convince her, argue with her, or engage her in any other way on a logical level"""".... How much of a motivator is for her the fact that you wont show up at her club despite her invites, and want clear schedules for a daytime date .. with a stripper

Dont have to chase her to play her.

About this id say send her a text like.. ok girl you missed on a great lunch... anyways ill meet you at your club tomorrow at xxxpm... see you there.

then whatever she texts back, you wont show up.... and you will wait for her to contact you "why you didnt show up". then it gives you a bit of control of the frame... then youre in control and you can have that hook-bait-relseas game with her..

hope this makes things a bit more clear for you. or helps you to whatever level possible =)

good luck

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sometimes.... hahah

They are professionals at taking your money but when you act counter-intuitive they get confused. Bartenders are a hobby of mine.


I would move on but if you want to have a little fun with it there are a few things you can do.

I would go out and meet three very attractive women and get them to go to the strip club with me. Social proof at its best. You will notice that she will get jealous and this is your chance to flip the frame. Disqualify her and you will see her running towards you. Then, it is your chance to move in for it... but....

It really is not worth your time. Live in a lifestyle of abundance and forget about this one.

Keep on sargin,

Tim Pierce

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She sees you as a walking SPAM machine... as long that you paid her a drink... you automatically make yourself as MONEY to her...

It's all written all over you.

BassOpens, that was an awesome post.

Nate, even though I may not have the level of experience with hired guns as BassOpens, I definitely got the vibe something was up when she is so suddenly like "I miss you so much." So soon - wow. She is either super impressed, or super needy. She would have to be pretty fucking impressed, I mean really - to miss you after such a short interaction, you guys would have had to have sex under the stars on a carribbean island or something... so if you didn't think your performance warranted it (didn't sound like it) then enough reason to be cautious. Then she says it again, and again.

...and yet she keeps missing appointments with you.

So from reading what happened, I guess you reached the level where she thinks you're good enough to play with (she's not going to do this with any random idiot, the whole number swapping and bothering to text you etc.)

So yeah to take it to the next level you'd have to do something like what Tim Pierce said, bring along 3 other women, or whatever.

In my opinion, she'd be too much work for me to bother with. I'd keep doing that sort of thing what you're doing, and then make it obvious I'm losing interest. If that doesn't get her chasing, then whatever.

Hmm dude, don't know about your chances without spending money... These poor asian girls arent liberated like Western women. It sounds like she has a boss or boyfriend getting on her to make him more money by stringing you along.

What gives you the idea this girl actually likes you? That first night you bought her drinks... did you get dances with her too? She probably just wants you to come to the club and spend money.

I've never been too bothered about going after strippers (Seems like a lot of work just to be able to tell my mates 'I've shagged a stripper') but from what I do understand, you never ever ever ever pay for things ever.


Always, always assume she's gaming you. She is a stripper. This is what she does. And she does it professionally, so don't think that you can compete on her level. You'd have to be doing this every day, for years like the guys who teach bootcamps to keep up.

Even if she actually is attracted to you, her job is to get money out of guys, and like you or I, she'll always put work before play. Regulars are easier money than having to compete with other girls for new business - it sounds very much like she's trying to play you into this position.

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