ok so read this and tell me exactly what i did wrong yes im a noob at this and ive been on hthis forum for about a week and ive tried laying my skills down with this girl she is older forsure seemed interested so i figured id give it a go

Kyle

hey hess

jess*
4:37pmJessica

hey there
4:38pmKyle

whats up
4:39pmJessica

not too much, and you?
4:40pmKyle

Ahh not to much just enjoying my time with two legs lmao i got my surgery next thursday
4:40pmJessica

for what?
4:42pmKyle

im getting my miniscus repaired finally lmao it has been like 3 years since it has been torn
4:42pmJessica

oh, nice lol
4:43pmKyle

yeah eh lol how are things with you tho i have not seen you since ive been back in windsor lol
4:48pmJessica

ya, just busy as usual. I didn't know you were back already. That didn't last long eh?
4:48pmKyle

well i had to come back for my surgery dum dum ahah i couldnt stay there and do my surgery they wouldnt transfer to calgary
4:50pmKyle

ive ony been back about a 2 weeks now so it hasnt been very long anyways
4:59pmKyle

Could not connect to Facebook Chat at this time.

u going ot this week or weekend?
4:59pmKyle

u going ot this week or weekend?
5:03pmJessica

ya, i think i might go out tonight, and ive got a couple parties to go to this weekend
5:11pmKyle

ohh nice nice well we should party or something soon before im out of commission lmao but i may just end up getting a wheel chair and pushin my self around in that and still party ahha
5:14pmKyle

wher eu thinking of heading out tonight
5:15pmJessica

cheneys
5:15pmKyle

ahhh nice nice wing night

going with a boyfriend or with some friends
5:16pmJessica

oh well i didnt know that, guess thats just an added bonus. Just going with my friend leah
5:17pmKyle

ahh nice just the two of u well maybe ill head down there im with one of my buddies right now we looking for something to do lol
5:18pmJessica

lol go for it, as long as you dont cock block us lol
5:18pmKyle

haha u going to meet some guys there or something
5:21pmKyle

might be hard to not cockblock u i mean guys see u talking to me they ight be intimidated by my amazing looks lol :p:p
5:22pmJessica

this is what im saying...you gotta let me get out there and do my thing

lol
5:23pmKyle

lmao ill let u get your drinks from guys but u gotta let me do my thing with getting to know you ;)
5:24pmJessica

lol what the heck do you mean?

cant you get to know me some other time when im not trying to get myself a man? lol
5:25pmKyle

woah woah what am i then a girl jeeze

that cut deep
5:29pmJessica

well, no offense but i will never date a younger guy ever again in life lol
5:30pmKyle

wait u have already?
5:30pmJessica

ya, me and my boyfriend just broke up last weekend
5:31pmKyle

who said anything about me wanting to date you?
5:32pmKyle

jumping the gun are we is it really that hard for a guy to talk to a girl without her thinking that he wants to date them....
5:34pmJessica

well, my bad then.
5:34pmKyle

haha
5:34pmJessica

Then i guess tonight wont be an issue.
5:34pmKyle

whats so bad about younger guys anyways you were pretty stereotypical there on that one what makes you think that guy is like me?
5:35pmJessica

doesnt matter if he is or not, seeing as how you're not trying to date me anyway
5:35pmKyle

your good your real good haha

i surrender white flag throwing in the towel jeeze lol
5:36pmJessica

:) thank you
5:36pmKyle

hahaha damn you have had practice at this eh
5:37pmJessica

many many years of it lol
5:37pmKyle

i can tell lol
5:37pmJessica

thats not necessarily a bad thing is it?
5:38pmKyle

u are pretty much driving me crazy wich is what ur trying to do lmao i ca read u like a book regardless lol
5:40pmJessica

what?? how am i driving you crazy?? im not even doing anything!
5:40pmKyle

ok well i guess tonight could go bothways then tonight eh?
5:42pmJessica

no, not really lol
5:42pmKyle

well thats the way i see it to u u seem pretty much to be going one way but maybe i have enough courage to change your mind

but probably not lmao
5:43pmJessica

well its a good thing you're realistic.
5:44pmKyle

wow ahha
5:44pmJessica

hahaha what a bitch eh?
5:44pmKyle

complete rejection ahaha
5:45pmJessica

and you can at least be happy about the fact that it has nothing to do with you personally and everything to do with your age

Gotta love age discrimination!
5:46pmKyle

well technically in other countries im older haha like in the middle east id be 23? ahhaa

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bigg dominant alpha male

Wow, just wow.

I'd say you should find some other girls. This girl is pretty much lost already it seems.

I'll give you some pointers to what I saw were wrong:

Demanding - First off you were very demanding, you pushed for something she wouldn't tell.

Needy - As the above term you continued to push for something she refused.

DLV'ing - You pretty much told her that you would do anything for her, even after she rejected you

Conversation staled - You got stuck on a subject and let her control the frame.

Approval seeking - You asked for approval a lot. I'll give you one example.

"Her: and you can at least be happy about the fact that it has nothing to do with you personally and everything to do with your age
Gotta love age discrimination!

You: well technically in other countries im older haha like in the middle east id be 23? ahhaa"

I'm sorry to say this, but the only way to get better is by practicing. But anyway, she seemed quite judgmental and it is really hard to get around a person like that on the internet. Hope this helped a bit with pointing out what went mostly wrong.

- Exerio

I would have thrown in there a little c&f gem I've read before "well you're pretty young, I only date girls [her age +1] or older, lol"

modify appropriately

on the conversation, you shouldn't have been asking what she was going to be doing, and worse trying to tag along with her! You should have invited them to come to you. Remember, we PUA's are always the life of the party. Where's the party at? Right here, all the time! If she didn't come it would be her loss. Remember we are always the prize.

You shouldn't have thrown any white flags. You should have changed the subject, or steered the conversation in a good direction. You basically failed her shit test.

It's going to be very hard to salvage this. She already feels like you're very low value. You should have used the operation to your advantage to get to see you. I can tell you tried, but you then offered to meet her.

When things go bad I usually wait a week, and try to strike up a conversation again. Maintain the frame!

yeah ok well im new tot his like i said ahha i havnt gotten into any of this been to shy and figured id give it a go time to come out and stop being a pussy lmao

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bigg dominant alpha male

The conversation was way too boring! And you let her push you around... If a girl tells you she wouldn't date younger guys. Tell her that you usually don't date old ladies lol. Always remain in control. And if she calls herself a bitch... AGREE with her!! tell her shes starting to lose points with you! haha... there was way too much fluff talk in there dude! you got to heat things up! get crazy with the cheese wiz!

But hey... you tried. And thats all that matters. So give yourself a pat on the back and say.. "I'm the fucking man!! That girl is missing out.. O well." haha

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It's not gay if you do it to attract women

I'm just going to comment on whole age diference thing here. But when dealing with someone older that dates someone older than you it suggest they want either maturity or financial security. But personally I'd do something like the following.

her- "Sorry, but I only date older guys"

me--"Ohh so does mean you are looking for maturity?"

her -"Yeah, something like that."

me- "So when have you ever met a guy that's anything more than an overgrown little boy? You should know as well as I that maturity and age have very little to do with one another. Just let a nice pair of breasts walk by two adult guys and they are both 13 again"

her- "you have a point there LOL"


and basically the age thing is shot down.

If it's more of a financial thing she isn't likely to tell you that. But regardless you want to always seem you are going places with your career anyhow. If you can't do that you want to seem that you know how to have fun with zero money.

Basically when dealing with an older woman you want to seem like you offer all of the things an older guy offers but you have all the positives that come with being youthful. You want to seem vibrant, hopeful, fun, optimistic and have energy and a zeal for life lost on guys her age.

But I will also agree with the previous poster that the stuff you were saying was dry and boring. At least you are talking to them though. It jsut takes time and work.