Ok guys this one is for approaching a mixed set. Go up to a guy (perferably one who is leading the conversation) and say:

"Hey, me and my friend (point somwhere) have been having an argument. So, man to man, who gets more needy in relationships, girls or guys?"

Of course he'll say girls. Now if the girls try to chime, which they will (even if they agree) you can neg with somthing like:

"See! Look their/shes needy right now, their trying to highjack the conversation!"

Or on the chance that they stay quiet and listen to the guy (which might indicate hes her boyfriend), you could say something like:

"Look, their/shes quiet because she knows its true!"

You should never have to worry about starting conversations with guys, a simple hey hows it going? will do the job, guys aren't like women, women like discussion guys would be more like "wtf is this guy hitting on me?". Could just be the guys near me but meh why overcomplicate things

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Addressing the AMOTG is sometimes the best way to dissarm him and steal the frame. Plus, it is an opening IOD to the target by inderectly saying "I'm not here to talk to you", she will automatically try to get your attention.

Your concept is right. The opener could use a bit more tweaking....

Like any "alpha" of a group, they can be easily dismissive. And asking him a question shows ur already asking for his approval/validation on something.

He may answer in politeness, but it doesn't certify your value in any way.

Display your value elsewhere- ie, working through the group, social value, attractive value etc.

The indirectness of your approach is right though. It shows you are not after her. But screw going after the big fish.

If he tries to butt in asking YOU a question..then you know you have displayed more "alphaness" than he has....and he is trying to win YOU over.

Hold your frame and it's a done deal....

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Good point. Didn't take into account the "dismissiveness" of the alpha. So your saying try it on someone else in the group?

Yeh I find that's the best approach, just so you don't get blown out straight away or he see's you as a threat.

Establish yourself through the outside and then he'll no doubt be curious about you then.

Having said that, some guys walk the walk but they are crap at holding their frame in a conversation. If you think you can hold your frame over his, enough to hijack the conversation, then yes- it is the best way.

Just a cautionary approach

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An opener that I end up successful with around 80-90% of the time. Works better on larger sets, 4+.

(Addressing one of the guys)
Me: Hey, quite a fun night today, don't you think?
Guy: Yeah, it is.

(He usually think who the fuck you are by this point, however, it is usually fairly simple to change this opinion during a bit of time)
Me: I'm ___ *handshake*.

(At this time some of the girls usually notice you and look in your direction)
Me: I am kinda curious, did you know there are 16 different personality types?
Her: No, why is that?
Me: Instead of saying why, I could show you, but I don't want to explain this twice so get the others to listen as well.

(Due to curiosity as girls love this type of stuff she gets the attention to the group and I start explaining.)

At this time the whole group should be listening to your conversation.

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