Very well said about the lack of faith, but most atheists are faithful to that idea. So it would be fair to say it does take faith. And just because I am of German decent doesnt make me a Nazi. The fact the I am better than you does. lol So sweetness before you go off on an isult spree, try to fire off a synapse and realise our "natural human rights"are only attempted to be enforced by man's law. In the natural world you have no rights unless you can defend them. And do try to be a bit more creative than " Fuck off Nazi". Its a bit overdone but the unimaginative. ( that means you).

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Thankyou and yes that's true but a lot of Atheist are fucking stupid and give the rest of us a bad name. Same with every other school of thought where an ignorant minority fuck up everything for the rest of us. In fact most humans are fucking stupid and give the rest of us a bad name
Me calling you a Nazi has nothing to do with you being of German descent, your apparent elitist fascism however does. The only elitism I even slightly agree with is that of Satanism where the more intelligent you are, the higher up in society you are, as intelligence is something that's available to everyone.
That's a pretty big judgment for a Christian.
Yes but that's the cost of living in modern society. If you don't like it then go and live in the woods with an ax. Also, we've evolved from the 'natural world' so our level of thinking has progressed somewhat from the base instincts of fuck, kill, eat, survive. If society were to descend into an anarchy which would be the only "natural" order for things to be then we'd all be fucked. Those with the most guns and survival knowledge would kill and rape everything 'weaker' than them and that includes me and you.
The natural world is kind of lacking in trains, concentration camps, massacres, and bigotry though.
It was just my first gut reaction.

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"Has anything you've done made your life better?"
"I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my dream. That's my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight... razor... and surviving."

Who's the elitest now? Good for you.

If you reall think humans are beyond their base insticts, then shame on you. You joined a community that teaches the exact opposite. Oh and on the subject of Nazis, where were the human rights there?... oh the stonger trampled over them and the Jews could not maintain them, ergo the weak would have no rights. Trains carried them to the camps too bub. And I am an elitist because I find so few people that can honestly make me feel stupid or awkward. Dueces

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How so?
Of course they are. They may be governed on a very primitive level by instincts but we've advanced considerably from the animal kingdom. How do you explain being able to read and write, philanthropy, 'good Samaritan' work, and selfless acts.
No it doesn't, it teaches you to exploit people's instincts and manipulate what they consider socially acceptable.
Yea the Nazis were cunts and the fact that they tried to wipe out an entire people kind of upholds that. The Jews couldn't maintain them because of the might of Nazi propaganda, its hard to maintain your rights when the whole country's against you. But hey maybe we should round up everyone you consider 'weak' and kill them off because they apparently shouldn't have rights.
What?
That's cuz you have faith on your side

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"Has anything you've done made your life better?"
"I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my dream. That's my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight... razor... and surviving."

Faith and spirituality are emotions folks, that's why its so difficult to understand, why those of us who are atheists rail against it. It's the subjugation of reason, to emotion that is offensive.

Now, I only say this is a bad thing, because reason never asks one to sacrifice one's emotions, because emotions are sources of information too, they are the computational and intuitive responses of your brain, and they are there to help your genetic survival. However, God is usually a misplaced source for the wonder of your natural faith and spirituality, because God does not likely empirically exist.

Spirituality is a natural response to awe, to curiousity, to unity, to love, to communal oneness. The statement 'God is Love." is an EQUATION. God exists as love. Where can you find "God"? In love, in passion in warmth, in all the collective good and wonder of the universe.

I urge you all to consider the Entheogenic properties of LSD and the experiments with Psilocybin Cubensis by Aldous Huxley and Timothy Leary, two of the most brilliant religious thinkers of our Century.

Those of you who want to see spirituality in reality, search the writings of Albert Einstein, Spinoza, and Richard Dawkins.

Religiousity and Faith are part of your brain. Start learning what "Religious technology" means..... Religious thought can show you how to navigate your own nervous system. Meditation, trances, speaking in the holy spirit, orgasm, It's all inside your mind.


FAITH IS NOT ABOUT ETHICS. FAITH IS NOT ABOUT MORALS. FAITH IS ABOUT YOUR SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE OF REALITY.

Also, God doesn't exist, but i'll be damned if looking at the nightsky doesn't inspire a mindsplode.


PS. I also consider myself a part of the condescending atheist elite, sorry, religion genuinely is the Opiate of the Masses, and was here ages before the TV. If I want to know someone's intellect, general literacy, liberalness of mentality, and sexual openness, a good gauge is to ask them about their religious beliefs or lack thereof. Watching the reason they give for what they believe is the next big determinant, so you can know if you are dealing with a dumb atheist or a clever theist.

Atheism is not faith but belief. Belief in logic and reasoning and belief that you can not explain something until it has been proven or disproven. For example, you can not explain the origin of the universe until Large Hadron Collider runs the experiment and concludes that indeed the universe started because of X. Religious people, however, try to fantasize about stuff that could be and imagine things that can not be proven.

It takes lack of faith and lot of logic and reasoning to be atheist.

Most of top class scientists are atheists and they are also some of the most intelligent men on earth.

I personally am an atheist and my life philosophy is self-centered transhumanism. I believe this to be a stunning combination in order to favor self improvement and growth and maximum developement.

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I like the way you think. lol "rights" do not exist without the ability to maintain them. The "weak" basically give away their rights. lol I figured this being an Athiest topic you wouldn't get your knickers bunched about the natural world we live in. ... oh and just a tip, work on the sarcasm. I think I'm done with you now. Deuces.

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Did that a few times, LSD, PCP, psilocybin, mescaline, DXM, to name but a few. Made me realise how connected everyone is and how powerful suggestion is.
Always have to have the last word don't you you cheeky bastard =p

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"Has anything you've done made your life better?"
"I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my dream. That's my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight... razor... and surviving."

It doesn't require faith, becuase their is no positive statement.

Huh?

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"Has anything you've done made your life better?"
"I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my dream. That's my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight... razor... and surviving."

Logic works inductively, it is assumed something is false until proven otherwise.

It takes faith to believe in something not proven. That's pretty much the definition of faith.

Put simply their is no faith in not believing becuase their is nothing to believe in.

IF as much faith was required for not believing as for believing. It would be irrational and lead to what is known as epistomitic chaos, where we would believe in an infinite concepts regardless of how ridiculous they are, simply becuase it's better to believe than not believe if the statistical chances of "true or false" are 50:50.

The burden of proving claims and having faith lies with those making the POSITIVE statement, i.e. "god is real"

An easy example is, if I set up a faith called, "Fin can fly and shoot laserballs out of his eye's"

If you were to say "I don't believe in that religion"

Becuase you are not making a positive indication of belief, but rather a negative one.

I am in no position to say..... "it takes a lot of faith to not believe"
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I always find it funny when theists try and shift the burden of faith unto the atheists.

Also just to be a bastard I will point out that co-operation, empathy, altruism, are entirely natural traits for sociable animals such as human beings.

Seriously, I saw this thread and thought this sounds interesting. I happen to invest a fair amount of mental time on the philosophies of religion, theism, spirituality … all that crap myself so when I saw the thread I thought wicked. Lets see how we turn this into some smart game.

I read two pages of posts and what do I find? … a bunch of so called PUAs acting like a bunch of AFCs debating the crap out of Atheism vs Faith or whatever, and not one single line devoted to how to turn any of this into anything useful for the most important thing … picking up chicks.

If I were the chick in this gaggle of high brow theistic debate, I would be giving my number to the PUAs on the other side of the bar while you all wank your egos over an age old probably never to be solved debate.

That reminds me of a principle of evolution / natural selection called Sneaky Fucker Syndrome. I will write a post on this one day.

Anyway, to the more important point.

Is there a god or is there not? Indeed a deep question and one without a definite answer, but frankly, when I’m gaming … who in the christian-proposed-hell cares.

The most important point is that religion is a great topic for gaming women because it is emotional at its root and it is an awesome source for negs (albeit delicate ones).


It doesn’t matter if they are believers in god, allah, buddah, thor, zeus, hades, jesus, the magic invisible teapot, the flying spaghetti monster, the tooth fairy whatever. What matters is what we as PUAs do with the information presented to us.


I propose this. Lets hear about how religion / god as a topic can be used in game.

By the way, I have already used this highly emotional topic in conjunction with sneaky fucker syndrome to extract a HB8+ duo to the dance floor, while the six male guys they were with clobbered each other to bits in an intellectual debate over the state of religion in the universe today or some other boring as bat-shit to women conversation.

So we want to hear about game options for the use of religion in game;

It’s possible I have done it. I will post some stories of how here shortly.

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See now, I'm muslim, and it's people like you that piss me off. Do me a favor. Find the verse in the Qur'an where it says to kill all infidels, and if you find something similar, state it in context to the rest of the chapter. You will be surprised.

You are being ignorant and just going with what you hear around you. Do you actually think that if it were true muslims are to kill all infidels, we would STILL be the fastest growing religion on earth? Honestly now, if that were true, what do you think these "stupid mofo's" movitation is to convert to a religion that "preaches to kill all infidels?" Don't you find something wrong in that? Could it be... oh no.. a MISCONCEPTION.
It's funny, in the Qur'an it also says to turn away from the ignorant, and there's another verse that says something similar not to even believe everything you hear; God has given you eyes and ears to find out the truth for yourself.

oh, and btw, here is a http://www.answering-christianity.com/q ... ranerr.htm in which over 100 anti-islamic claims have been made against the Qur'an in attempt to disprove its authenticity or to expose discrepencies/contradictions in attempt to weaken a muslim's faith.

all of them have been debunked and responded to for us. Scroll down to the list when you click it.

Personally, I'm Catholic and I pray, read the Bible, and go to Church. With all of this said, I still believe that theres the possiblity that God may not come back one day and that there is no after-life. Ya gotta keep an open mind.
Because there are other things in life other than getting laid...

Thank you. I agree 100% with everything there.