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OK, another situation with another girl.

Anything general to do when a girl doesn't write for a couple of days?


It's the eharmony website, which takes a bit of effort on both people's parts to get to the open communication part, which is where we are.

We seemed to have started to develop a good rapport, and I haven't heard from her a couple of days after a a week or so of pretty regular communication. My next email was going to try to arrange a meeting, cause I can tell she's a bit flaky as in doesn't write long emails, or answer questions any more than briefly, but has continually showed interest in me never waiting more than a day to write until this time. But she hasn't written her next one so I haven't been able to propose a meeting...I'll probably wait another two or three before asking where she's gone, but not sure what to do in this situation.

A bit about her: she LOVES MMA, three of her profile pics are with UFC fighters, and practices jiujitsu herself (I'm a surf/kitesurf bum lol - but I like that difference) but says she loves to cook, listen to and sing music and check out art museums) She's a different girl for sure.

I was thinking of saying "hey, unlike me in the summer, you probably work every day and keeping up with email can be a real pain in the ass, I know. Let's cut the computer out of the equation and meet up this weekend - I know a couple of pretty cool places down near my new house in DC that I think you would like. Here's my email: xxxxx
\-Mark"

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Alisterio,

Ick! I don't like eHarmony much personally because of the way it's structured for this reason. At any time you can request the "Fast Track" option and send her an email that way and ask for the date. She could be tired of all the messages back and forth, many people get lost in that.

What you said sounds good to me.

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JSmooth, bon voyage! Thanks for the tips (kiss close to night with the 21 y.o. with more to come I think;) )


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JSmooth, bon voyage! Thanks for the tips (kiss close to night with the 21 y.o. with more to come I think;) )
NICE JOB!

I'm back from vacation everyone!

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I began to mail to about the real details a while back and now am back on the online stream....

I want to say thanks for your last mail because many people forget about the little details and its you lack of forgetting that is awesome.

The next question invloves frame. I am reading through your mail and it is apparent that your frame is very important. Showing she is chasing you and making yourself the highest value possible. Does this show the difference between being sexy and just nice??

The frames questions as i see are slotted in along normal conversation.
I can see what a frame question works like and have a few myself however they lack congruence. The mystery 'looks are commen' for exaple doesn't easily fit into a conversation and if left at the very end of the message seems to be a little to intrusive ... ?? how do you view this?

My finale queastion invloves microcalibration (yeah i have been doing my homework lol.) Knowing when to stop using these quaifying questions seems to be the difference between being seen as a pressure interview and just making sure you have the right women?? How do you calibrate with only pictures???
Is it her response being forthcoming or not?

I could go on for days...
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Hey J, can you take one more look at my pof profile, and let me know what you think... I am gonna go on a couple other dating sites as well... Much appreciated

http://www.plentyoffish.com/member13621333.htm

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I began to mail to about the real details a while back and now am back on the online stream....

I want to say thanks for your last mail because many people forget about the little details and its you lack of forgetting that is awesome.
Kris,

You are welcome!
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The next question invloves frame. I am reading through your mail and it is apparent that your frame is very important. Showing she is chasing you and making yourself the highest value possible. Does this show the difference between being sexy and just nice??
I am a little confused at what you are getting at. I agree you want the girl to chase you. I also agree that you want to Demonstrate Higher Value (DHV) when you can during your messages back and forth. Not to mention you want to show your personality in your messages. I am not sure what you mean by is this the difference in being sexy and just nice?

Using DHV spikes doesn't really make us sexy but it does create attraction if that is what you mean. Yes while during your conversations you want to insert DHV spikes, use teasing, and qualification to create attraction so you don't just become friends that like to talk to each other on the Internet.
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The frames questions as i see are slotted in along normal conversation.
I can see what a frame question works like and have a few myself however they lack congruence. The mystery 'looks are common' for example doesn't easily fit into a conversation and if left at the very end of the message seems to be a little to intrusive ... ?? how do you view this?
I agree that this question doesn't work the best for online game. It can be used but my results with it aren't that solid. I like using qualification questions as I go because it does help establish that you are the one being chased in a way since they will be qualifying to you by answering the question. I might use:

Tell me 3 interesting things about you.

What are some things people don't get about you right away?

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My finale queastion invloves microcalibration (yeah i have been doing my homework lol.) Knowing when to stop using these quaifying questions seems to be the difference between being seen as a pressure interview and just making sure you have the right women?? How do you calibrate with only pictures???
Is it her response being forthcoming or not?

I could go on for days...
thnks
Kris
Microcalibration. :) Yeah you have been doing your homework studying that sort of stuff and it's good to know. As you know microcalibration can best be described as a scale of social value between the two of you. You want things to be balanced to the best of your ability. We reward positive behaviour with positive behaviour and negative behaviour with negative, etc.

I'm not sure how you would calibrate with only pictures since microcalibration really refers to more of a verbal sense back and forth or possibly with body language when in front of someone.

We do have to be careful asking questions though because we don't want this to become an interview or interrogation. However, the only way to get to know someone is going to be asking questions. It is just the way it works. They have information you want to know you have to ask them a question. With stuff like the qualification questions I listed above or with open ended questions I ask I try to elicit the biggest response I can from them. Then from there I branch off their stories. An open ended question I'd use is "What was it like growing up for you?"

Does that answer you questions or have I missed something?

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Hey J, can you take one more look at my pof profile, and let me know what you think... I am gonna go on a couple other dating sites as well... Much appreciated

http://www.plentyoffish.com/member13621333.htm

CK
CK,

Great headline man I can tell you took my advise on that stuff. This is catchy, fun, and playful which works very well for your personality.

Your pictures are good. You have some with women for DHV of pre-selection and of course some with guys so it looks like you have normal relationships with people. I like the one of you doing the acrobatics and then of you in the cars driving. Those are the great active photos I was referring to!

Your about me is well balanced. You have a good description of what you are like and what you enjoy doing. You described your personality well and listed some odd miscellaneous facts that girls will like to read and it'll give them stuff to comment on. Much like peacocking a profile.

You did a good job describing what you want in a girl. I think a woman will be able to see if she is like what you are looking for and make the decision to contact you or not. I see some qualifcations in there for someone outgoing, petite, and a sense of humor. CHECK.

Everything is is good too! I think you really have this nailed man. We just need to get some women to look at you.

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Thanks bro, I really appreciate it.

Ever since I put the picture of me with the girl as my main picture, I have gotten a ton more hits. Pretty funny how that works.

Thanks again for all your help. It really worked out well.

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Thanks bro, I really appreciate it.

Ever since I put the picture of me with the girl as my main picture, I have gotten a ton more hits. Pretty funny how that works.

Thanks again for all your help. It really worked out well.

CK
WOW, isn't it amazing how well that works. Showing that you are pre-selected by other women and also safe helps soooo much!

You are again welcome,

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"Yes while during your conversations you want to insert DHV spikes, use teasing, and qualification to create attraction so you don't just become friends that like to talk to each other on the Internet. "

This is exactly what i was refering to. The difference ebtween beinga A guy and THAT guy!

When i was refering to microcalibation i was accuallu refering to the back and forth messaging. i ask a qualifying question. She answers.
what i mean by that is When do you stop qualifying ?? Does this just depend on the length and obvoius effort she is putting into her messages?
OR is it more on the basis of her pre precieved self standard. She is a ten so qualify forever lol??

I am trying to become more detailed and preicise in my search for abundence online. What would you advise as something to read in order to understand the little details which make thing happen? Or to do?

thanks for the details..
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"Yes while during your conversations you want to insert DHV spikes, use teasing, and qualification to create attraction so you don't just become friends that like to talk to each other on the Internet. "

This is exactly what i was refering to. The difference ebtween beinga A guy and THAT guy!

When i was refering to microcalibation i was accuallu refering to the back and forth messaging. i ask a qualifying question. She answers.
what i mean by that is When do you stop qualifying ?? Does this just depend on the length and obvoius effort she is putting into her messages?
OR is it more on the basis of her pre precieved self standard. She is a ten so qualify forever lol??

I am trying to become more detailed and preicise in my search for abundence online. What would you advise as something to read in order to understand the little details which make thing happen? Or to do?

thanks for the details..
kris
Kris,

I really don't stop using bits and pieces of qualification until I get her on a date in front of me. The reason for that is when in front of someone finally you still have to go back and work a little attraction and qualification is a part of that. Now how heavily you have them qualify depends on what you think the mental frame of the girl is. That is going to be something you judge through your own calibration of meeting people.

DOn't really know any specific books to suggest at the moment, If one pops up I'll PM you with the title.

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 Post subject: HB10 Facebook
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hey J, thought it would be nice to get a review of a comment before i send it. met a HB10 a few weeks back, turned out she was in a relationship, but i still got her facebook. so 3 days ago her status changed to single, and she threw up a boyfriend application for men to fill out on her facebook.

Me opener: you know why you suck?

Her: lol... why?

(heres what im going to send tomarrow.)

Me: becuase there are some poor saps out that that thinks that if they fills out your boyfriend application that they might actually have a chance with you, but both u and i know that the guys that fill it out dont have a chance with you. beauty is common now days what makes you so awsome that you need an application for a boyfriend?

i will come up with some filler/transitions tomarrow to add in to keep the convo going and make it smoother but what do you think?


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Hi Jon,

I have Basically 2 major Questions with some details for now:

Question #1
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I just added this HB on myspace and she sent me a message saying

"Do i presonally know you???"

What should i reply Best in this situation...?

i'm sure you have came across the same exact situation before alot of times.

Actually, I have already replied with the following:

you already know the answer to that, are you gonna stop asking questions and talk to me or not?

my questions is:

a) i wanted to know if what i did is right or wrong?

b) how to follow up or how to neg her if she became bitchy in any way?

c) how to reply in similar future situations for the common "do i know you" part?


Question #2:
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a) If i see some HB profile in a "social networking" website, Is it better/or do you personally prefer to make a friend add request first OR send a Private message first?

b) How to open her if i made a friend request first and only (with no pms from me) and she accepted without asking me any questions or making any other response? please let me know some successful openers with your decent experience...

c) i need some working openers also for how to open with PM's only as first approach with no friend requests yet.


I'm still new to the online game, so forgive me for any question that might sound dumb.

Thank you Very Much

Regards

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 Post subject: Re: HB10 Facebook
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hey J, thought it would be nice to get a review of a comment before i send it. met a HB10 a few weeks back, turned out she was in a relationship, but i still got her facebook. so 3 days ago her status changed to single, and she threw up a boyfriend application for men to fill out on her facebook.

Me opener: you know why you suck?

Her: lol... why?

(heres what im going to send tomarrow.)

Me: becuase there are some poor saps out that that thinks that if they fills out your boyfriend application that they might actually have a chance with you, but both u and i know that the guys that fill it out dont have a chance with you. beauty is common now days what makes you so awsome that you need an application for a boyfriend?

i will come up with some filler/transitions tomarrow to add in to keep the convo going and make it smoother but what do you think?
Greatd,

I really like how you aren't going to fall for this shit test and qualify to her by filling out the application. I also like how you call her out on it and then ask her to basically qualify to you with the whole beauty is common thing. This looks good to go to me. I think you should do well with this!

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