hi mates, so i've number closed this hb and we went out to this cool egyptian themed cafe, turns out she's half egyptian as well which i was well impressed with.

so i did the basic routine : 5 lies game, "i like" game, tried to build some comfort basically and i guess it worked to some extent, we were gazing into each other's eyes, which i suppose is a good sign.

problem is, i'm clueless + a bit wary on escalating kino. we sat really close to each other on a couch in the corner of the cafe, nice secluded spot, basically we were like glued together you could say. but no kissing. and that frustrated me a bit, i did hint in the "i like" game that i like girls kissing me on the neck rather than on the cheek, but that was just that. also i won't hesitate to mention most my nights out with a hb falls into the same kind of situation.

so any suggestions on escalating kino without raising the alarm bells in her ? also i've kinda banged out all my material on our first night out should i keep hunting for new material to keep us occupied ?

cheers

injektilo

now that she's hooked, you don't really need too much material. just keep building comfort and rapport.
the kino escalation i use the most when in the situation you described, is that when you laugh, move your hand onto her thigh with your finger tips just touching her knee.

another i like to use is to whisper in their ear. it gives you the chance to get really close and be seductive. if she likes it, go for a lil kiss on the neck.

or, if you just want the kiss. use mystery's k-close method. it's never failed me over the last 4 years.

-teen

There a few very useful kino escalating techniques you can use any time. Make sure you smoothly get into the routine by first starting a topic related to either trust, tension, astrology/cold reading, teasing her of being a weak person etc. When you do this, the girl will have no reason to believe you are running some kind of a trick on her. Here are some:

1. Trust test
2. Tension Test
3. Palm reading
4. Arm/pink wrestling
5. Evolution phase shift routine

Further, you can make fun of her skin/hair/nose/lips/hand/ear bells or whatever and then touching one of this body parts. After teasing her first, physical contact will not come across as awkward to her.

You can also simply say something silly like: "what's that on your nose/lip/ear?" Then extending your hand to take take it off. Then you simply say ' oh, it's actually nothing".

I used to be scared to Kino escalate girls until I found out it wasn't like touching fire at all. I do exactly like the way gamer_nl says and it works 100%. Once you know you're in her comfort zone, it makes life much easier to get to the top of her ladder.
You HAVE to teas her on her weakness or comment sarcastically on her hands/arms/neck/hair etc... and touch her for a bit. oh no no, not there as yet (you know where )
Trust me, follow that in steps, kino test her and eventually you'll get where you want to be
I used to be so frikkin scared with this one girl to hold hands with, until I read somewhere on this forum about KINO and I quickly realized that it follows so naturally and now we hold hands without us feeling awkward or anything like that.

gamer_nl

can you go further into detail about your 5 methods please?

cheers

-teen

honestly I want some details too! please, do explain

Well, one of the things that stuck to me reading through this forum is the following routine:

"I am gonna give you a little present later. Don't forget to remind me about it." - You
"Ok, I will" - Her

After a while she will remind you about it:

"Ey, what was that gift you were gonna give me ?" - her
"Close your eyes and open your hand." - you

When she does this, you kiss her and say:

"This gift was specially for you. Don't tell the others I am SPAM free kisses."

I read about this and I think it is a good way to kiss her for the first time. Good luck with your problem.

How to Kino. Lance on Kino, 10 videos, VERY worth watching. It is way more comfortable than MM method kino too.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edh2GQHZmtI[/youtube]

This are well known techniques, except Evolution phase shift routine maybe.

You can find everything about the first 4 methods using the search function of this forum. The Evolution Phase Shift routine is something Neil Strauss came up with if I am not wrong and first it maybe a somewhat difficult routine too you as it's quite long. Anyway, it's a very powerful routine. You may not want to use the complete routine at first time you run it on somebody, but you can use a bit of it also. Here is the routine:
http://www.seductiontuition.com/neil-st ... shift.html

When using these routines, you may try to relate it to her somehow, for example watching her behavior and words and then relate the routine to it. In this way, you performing the routine on her comes very natural to her, which is a good thing. For example, you can initiate first a natural conversation on people and their (in-)ability to trust others. After a few words on trust, you can smoothly dive into the Trust Test.

For example:

You: "Are you a trustworthy person?" (playfully)
She: "yes, of course". She may ask why.
You: "you know, not everyone can be trusted these days, there are a lot of scary people out there. I hope you are OK and I hope I am not wrong about that"
She: "oh..haha..ok!"
You: "well, something tells me you are not what you are telling me you are" (smile).
ok we will see in a moment, you are taking the trust test..hold your hand like this.." (smile) --> Trust Test Routine

See how the girl does not have any reason not to cooperate. The convo goes in a natural and spontaneous way and leads to physical escalation without fail. in 99% cases, she will comply with the routine you are about to perform.

After the Trust Test, you tell her she can be trusted or not.

You may proceed as follows:

You: " you passed the test". Then explain the Trust Test Routine (do not mention it's something PUA's use:) ).
She: "haha, ok". She may be already investing herself in the conversation at this point. Regardless of what she says or does, you proceed with:

You: "you know what..you are not only trustworthy, you actually seem a bit nervous and tensed too..why's that?..you always like that?..Come here, let me show you something...Well not too close missy, take it easy (smile/wink)....--> Tension Test Routine.

See how in 2 minutes of time you did quite some kino escalation. Do this playfully and it will work. The girl will be ready to invest at this point. A few minutes later, get into te Palm Reading Routine. Have with you with each target 4 or 5 kino routines and also a few other routines. Use at max. two routines closely after each other and make sure you reserve some for later in the convo. Make also sure that you kino routines are well timed and that they flow naturally through the convo you are having with her. Do this right and within 30 minutes you will be able to kiss close.

If the girl does not respond appropriatelly to all of this (thus as you expect her to do), don't stay around too long and wait till she becomes responsive. The truth is that, if she is not baited by any of this, she probably will not be baited with whatever. Don't waste your time, but focus on a new, fresh target. The more targets, the more practice, the better you become at using these routines...untill it works almost without fail. Staying around for too long without the girl being willing to invest, will at some point reveal that wussy part of yourself which we all have in us somewhere. The wussyness will not help you get any further, that's for sure.

That's a really interesting perspective, thanks guys. If you want to show some playfulness you can always do high fives and twirling her round. If you are truly an extrovert you can literally pick her up and spin her round. All that playful stuff you thought was fun/funny when you were little is still fun now- especially for girls! Apart from your mum jokes.