Picked up a girl a week ago, by cat calling from a car. Ended up bringing her to a party where I built comfort, DHV and kino escalated for an hour before she left to hang out with guy friends. After 2-3 flirtatious phone calls, I met up with her again yesterday and spent 3-5 hours with her kino, comfort building, etc. Had some fun getting coffee, walking around, going to a park and so on.

After hanging at my place for a little bit, the energy/kino started to fade and she took off to see her guy friends. I walked her out and went in for the kiss. She responded with a kiss on the lips which seemed genuine but was not very good. I pulled back in the middle of the kiss and teased her about being a bad kisser. She challenged me and I went back in for a better 10-15 second kiss which was still not great since she wasn't a good kisser. I busted her a little more on it, and then walked her out. This was last night.

Question now is where to go from here. Should I call/text her again today teasing her about the kiss, but indirectly implying that I liked her anyway? Should I wait a day or two and call 'out of the blue' and act like the kiss never happened, instead focussing on some other routine? Should I use the bad kiss as a hook into me telling her in a cocky way how I will teach her to become an expert kisser? Curious what the experts say.

I would say she is a 7/10 with a model-like body. Not at all the bitchy/uptight/hard-to-get type, but only hangs out with guys that I never met but get the feeling are the 'protective/secretly interested in her' type. She is a bit insecure at times, so I don't want to go too strong with teasing but she seems to respond well to it and tends to be pretty playful. Overall she seemed pretty interested, though at times I felt the energy level dropping a bit and tried to bounce back. I also did not kino escalate as aggressively and consistently as I probably should have, alternating between lots of rubbing/hugging and extended periods of none over the later hours of our date.

Suggestions?

Jmm, first off, gotta say well done. You seem to have done everything pretty much by the book and getting some form of result. Must point out that I was especially impressed with how you got the kiss to move on from just a peck. The tease was well placed, and made you a challenge - drawing her in for a bit more.

Personally, I don't think you need to tease about the kiss again. Pointing it out too much may make her feel insecure and LESS likely to do it again. You don't want to make her TO insecure by going on about it.

Also, if it seemed like a 'smooth line' to get her to kiss you to her - keeping the teasing on may make her think your just after more kissing. You are, but you know the rules - we keep that secret

My advice would to be definately to throw in a "What you up to blah blah, think we need to schedule a kissing lesson. Need to give you some help" etc - mess around with that and make it yours - BUT then leave the tease there. Only use it to hook her in for another date; not as a recurring thing you poke fun at. Leave it there.

Let us know if you follow the advice or not, or even what happens. I like to hear the outcomes of these help calls

Good luck bro.

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Riot,

Thanks for the tip -- it sounds like a good way to play it. What do you think about continuing my game as usual, and saving the 'teach you how to kiss' for the right moment if needed to help kino escalation?

I usually use a routine where I ask her to rub my sore bicep from volunteering at Habitat for Humanity, then neg her on it and start massaging/teaching her and slowing moving toward kissing her ears and neck in the process. Perhaps the bad kissing neg could work equally well in this scenario.

Thanks,
jmm

Tease her? Yes. About the kissing? Hmmm, I dunno.

Riot pretty much said it. You're in dude; just play it cool and try not to tell her you want to marry her or any chump shit like that haha. Good luck.

Oh, and as for the "protective/secretly interested" dudes. Man. Nothing, I mean NOTHING, cuts through a guy like that like just not giving a shit about them at all. Don't worry about those dudes.

Autostyle,

The protective guys was more to paint a picture of her personality. Whenever she mentions them, I either ignore it or just extend my alpha male dominance over her friends that I never met by saying cocky/jokingly stuff like "I wouldn't want to have to up a bunch of nice guys."

So after additional comfort building, we started making out a bit and it was equally unsatisfying. In the moment, I tried to gently give a tip, saying something along the lines of 'relax your lips, blah, blah, blah'. She got mad and said different people kiss differently. I ultimately recovered from it 15 minutes later and got her in bed several hours later.

Is there some other decent way to go about this if it comes up with another girl? Or should I just ignore and accept the unsatisfying kissing as a way to close the deal?

What is cat calling?

I would say do not tease her about the kiss.
tease her about other stuff dont Id lay off on
her horrible kissing skills.

Think about it like this, you and a girl have sex.
She says WOW YOU SUCK lmao... Yep didnt think youd like that...

I wouldn't tease her about the kissing. You already did that so don't rub it in. Nex time you kiss her, tell her (nicely) what you want her to do so that she is a better kisser.

If she's insecure and you've already teased her for (and made fun of) her bad kissing, it will be better to reinforce what she is doing right. After kissing her, smile and say "mmm... I like it when you...". She will then try to do more of that.

She has probably thought about this a lot, and might soon be too insecure to kiss you again if you punish her every time she does.

Don't use this too many times, though, as she will understand what you're doing.

I didn't read the whole post, but in general I wouldn't tell a girl that she's a crap kisser.
Yes, if the first peck was lame then tease her a little "That was so lame, I'm sure you can do better than that!" but don't tell her that she's a bad kisser and don't try to give her tips. There's a difference between teasing and embarrassing her, and I'm pretty sure that a shitload of girls will get pretty pissed off with you if you tell them that they're bad at kissing.
Every girl likes to believe that she's a great kisser, and a great lay. Telling her that she's bad at either of those is never a good idea.[/u]