Saturday night two of my boys and I were hitting the bars/lounges. One of my boys is a natural and the other is a newbie PUA. Regardless we were having a good time and bouncing through multiple sets.

Along the way there was a point in the club were the traffic congested and was almost a complete standstill. Here I took the opportunity to try a few things out on a Blond to my right who gave me a big smile. I told her that if she was going to stand in the middle of the congestion she needed to be the traffic cop and start directing traffic and clear these people out if she wanted me to come back an talk to here. I proceeded through the crowd and talked with a few more sets. On the way out of the bar about 30 mins later she was still in the same spot and the traffic was clear. I stop and told here that since she took care of the other people we could now talk. She started in on that I was going to have to behave or she would use here handcuffs on me. This transitioned (somehow) to her being a super hero. I neg-ed her a bit about not being nearly tough enough and needing to cut her hair before she could get in a fight, possibly needing to shave her head but she would probably have a very mis-hapen head and then would just have to become a villain. She was laughing her ass off and doing some tough guy poses. I was about to try a number close and head for the door as I had intended a few minutes earlier when this big jock type came and pushed in between me and the girl and said something over his shoulder. The girl moved him back over and I was left at a 45+ angle with him face on to her. She started to continue the conversation with me and he turns into me and say "You seem new at this" I looked to the girl and she gave an odd smile. He repeated himself and took her by the arm and walked her away.

Not being one to chase I said "F-it" and met back up with my boys.

After the fact it started to bother me and I have been racking my brains on a way that I could have defeated him quickly and closed.

Everything I have come up with would probably have just got my ass kicked.

Any thought Gentlemen?

-Merc

To AMOG, Pssh you're cool, To girl: You need to teach that monkey on your arm how to behave in public. Then standard fight destroyer.

AMOG: (showing signs that he wants to fight)
PUA: hahah, dude, are you like trying to pick a fight with me? hahahha.. ok ok hold up hold up.. wait a sec, we'll do even better.. first... we'll have an armwrestling competition.. then second.. we'll do one armed pushups.. and last..... POSE-DOWN!!

There's always the risk he can still can go nuts on you and kick your ass, but hopefully you get enough shame into him that he wont.
here's a whole list of AMOG destroyers http://www.bristollair.com/outer-game/t ... ctics.html

AMOG's thrive on a situation they can control. You let the guy control the situation and in the process killed all the confidence you had shown her from the beginning. Hence the odd smile. Think of an AMOG as a fish. If you keep the fish in the water he is going to outswim you everytime. Take the fish out of the water and he is going to die. If you take the control from an AMOG he has nothing else as their confidence derives from that control. Use humor. Tell the AMOG he is your hero (sticking with your superhero theme). When he asks why, say cause you saved me from her insesent plotting. Smile or wink at the girl after you say this because this your inside joke with her. Right off the bat you made him feel like he is missing something. Introduce yourself to the AMOG, big smile on your face. Keep throwing him off balance. He expects you to retreat, when you don't, it confuses him. Stay smiling, stay confident, do not show fear because he will feast on it. In your situation you can number close (as you first intended to do) by telling the girl you are heading out with your friends and stopped by to give her a fake number so she can call you. If she laughs then you're in. Make sure she takes out her phone, puts it in (keep a playful smile on your face) and ask her to call it to see if someone answers. When your phone rings or vibrates, look discouraged and say "dammit" or something along that line and tell her you'll talk to her later. She has your number, you have hers and you just made the AMOG look like a stump. Good luck.

lol go with chaser /\/\ that was brilliant compared to my answer. The inside joke with the girl leaves the AMOG sitting there left out and confused esp if she laughs. And if he's to confused he won't even begin to think about fighting.

I dunno swing, the classic teach the monkey line seems pretty appropriate. I also like, "oh im sorry, am i in your way?", then stepping in front of him and telling the girl that you need to show her something cool away from him.

most jock looking AFCs are that because they have no game. they have no style, all they have is intimidation.

Although i can see your point, you did that girl a disservice by walking away. HBs REALLY hate guys that interrupt their conversations to hit on them. She probably didnt know what to do and you probably could have recovered.

No matter how big an AMOG is, you can either disarm him, or blow him off. Remember that YOU are the reason that she was there in the 1st place.

Good points, I was just way too slow in reacting to recover on this one.

I am looking forward to the next time to try a few things out. If nothing else I will just continue as long as I have her attention and pretend the dude is not there.

Thanks Gents

That was a classic caveman tactic by the guy.
Never let some guy touch you in front of a girl without saying anything to them about it even if its just a touch to walk by you. If he cuts in between you(which was complete disrespect). You cut inbetween him balance out what he did to you doesnt matter how big the guy is Show him and the girl you can stand up for yourself . Then you look at the girl(not the guy he didnt respect you you don't owe him nothing) an ask how she knows this guy(could be her boyfriend.....). If that guy still wanted to fight you makes him look bad in front of the girl and he's probably going to spend the night in jail.
Don't let this situation happen again.

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So was this guy with the girl you were talking to? Also, was this girl really that into you..... If I was you I wouldn't worry about it, "many other fish in the sea brother", just take from this what you can, and know for next time.

You messed up by not fully accessing the situation first thing. After the initial pleasantries you should have asked who she was there with. When she points to said caveman, smile and wave at him. Aknowledge he is there in a friendly you no longer become a threat. Since you know he's there, should he actually decide to come up, you can intercept him with a handshake and introduce yourself. Being successful dosen't mean always having to be witty tough alphamale.

AMOGs...gotta love em.

There's the old saying "The bigger they are,the harder they fall".

Make the AMOG look bad,while showing that you can keep you're cool,and they have no choice but to step down.

You did a good disarment,but not good enough,as the AMOG left with the target.Failure,unfortunately.And it's not all you're fault.

There is no one true method to keep AMOGs in check,since all situations regarding gaming and guarding are situational and context-specific,but one thing that does remain consistent is the matter of respect.Make sure the situation is turned so that the AMOG is disadvantaged.

And if you and the AMOG come down to actually fighting,even if you know you'll lose,fight him.If you land a good hit and send him back,more power to you.If he knocks you hard,suck up the pain,then laugh at him(See Tyler Durden in fight club).Laughing shows that,even though you've got hit,you are a tough,spirited person who can hold your own,which women notice.Plus,after a few hits and laugh taunts(Which requires balls of steel and good pain resistance),The AMOG will be frustrated,and everyone will think "Wow.A big ass jock and cant even knock out the dude he picked a fight with".DHV for you.DLV for him.Most likely happy ending.

And,as SouthernCross said,dont let anyone disrespect you,and dont let them do it again.Respect and Integrity are 2 things that no one can ever take away from you,and allowing someone to disrepect you is basically saying "I am lesser than you,so It is ok".Not cool.

Next AMOG comes,put him in his place,100%,no chance for failure.Even if you lose the girl either way,defend who you are,as that is worth more than any pussy you'll ever score.

I will frequently try to disarm the AMOGs with normal conversation or actively bring them into the current thread. I like talking to everyone and guys in the group are usually pretty cool with me. I have a few times ended up with a psuedo-wingman from early mixed sets as I have moved on to new sets. AFC/AMOG/Random cool dude, most just want to have fun, so why not make it a party for everyone.

As far as this particular AMOG goes, he came out of nowhere. It was a very small place and I would not have missed a dude a head taller than everyone else. I really thought that it was handled when she pushed him out of the way to talk to me. Most civilized people can follow the hint but this was definitely were I went down the wrong path. I should have maintained positive control of the situation and said anything to him at the point of his appearance.

As far as her being into me, I think she was very much into me at the time. She was groping and pretending to handcuff me at one point while were talking. If they were together, in her mind, I would have been damn surprised. He on the other hand definitely thought they were. I did not take any further time to find out if they were together or if he was just a big dumb ass.

The Tyler Durden method would be my last resort. I have been in a lot of fights, won most, and have hated all of them.

I prefer to smile, throw a wink at them and let it go. Like BigB mentioned it is a huge ocean and if nothing else it was just good practice.

I think that are these opinions on how to deal with an AMOG like that are completely wrong. This is where I disagree with the common way of dealing with them.

I have worked as a bouncer in a crazy college bar for about a year, and have seen what happens to people in fights. Do you really want to risk being messed up for life over a random girl? Unless your dating and seriously like this girl, there is absolutely no reason to put yourself in a situation like that. Just walk away.

I've known a few guys who have been hospitalized from fights.

thats why i suggest taking a selfdefence class, i take muy thai at team toro in the chi town area, in burr ridge to be exact. but from that i have no fear, take no shit, and when u mention it i a thread its a dhv. and it contributes to the fact i havent lost a fight sense freshman year in high school.

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I'm sorry but in response to this ^ i have to agree to this :

I have seen too many assholes who give smartass answers to brothers at frats when they are nicely beind asked to leave and it in many cases ends w/ broken faces as well as other parts for these stupid wannabe tough guys.
And as far as taking a self-defense class, that may be a good hobbie to sharpen both your body and mind as well as to get in shape but don't take it w/ the intention of getting into more fights b/c thats just plain nonsense. You're just asking to get hurt.

You guys act like giving shit to a guy whos 6ft 250lbs would be pretty easy...

The fact is, in clubs, there are tons of different personalities, many of which are assholes. If any, it wouldnt just be a 1v1 fight, maybe at first, but later on, hes probably the type of guy to have you jumped on the way to your car.

as i always say.... DONTEVENTRIP

-fuzz