whats up im new to this forum but i basicaly tried to use everything ive learned so far. the girl that i am talking to in this text i know that she likes me yesterday she came to a party that i invited her to and it went great i used kino , neg, and all that stuff . by the middle of the night i had the girl sitting on my lap having her holding onto my hand while she was basicaly massaging it. she kissed me a couple times on the lips at the end of the night when she had to go home i walked her to the train we kissed for a couple secs *i tryed to slip in the tongue* but all it was basically was a lips kiss i dont know if me trying to slip in the tongue fucked things up but whatever. anyway we said our bye and i left . now i didnt talk to her the whole day only at night when she signed on aim. this was the convo. i know i did some shit wrong. if u guys could give me advice and critque my shit i would seriously appreciate it. and if there is anything i can do or say to fix what i fucked up

me: Hey goof, I bet my weekend can beat up your weekend.
her: and why if that?
me: well cuz for one u didnt stay longer this morning
her: yep
me: so whats up
her: nothing much im about to watch a movie
me: oh i c and u didnt invite me aight i see how it is
her: yuppp thats how it is
me: what movie is it maybe ill just invite myself
her: the shining
me: whats it about did u watch it before ?
her: you've never even heard of it????
me: sadly no i havent
her: wooooow you suckk
me: ha !
me: dont tell me its one of them chick ficks
me: flicks*
her: no!!!!!!
her: its a horror movie
me: ooooooo i like horrors
me: see if u where a nice girl u would watch it with me but i guess i thought wrong
her: yea i guess not cuz im watching it now
me: see i was just about to ask if u would want to go to the movies with me but i guess i wont be asking u that anymore..... u blew it
her: i dont like movies in the theater
me: who said anything about a theater
her: i guess you didnt
me: i only take nice girls to theaters
her: cool
me: I don't know who you're boyfriend is...but he's not spanking you enough
her: i dont have a boyfriend but ok..........
me: aww thats to bad someone has to set u straight cuz sometimes u make me feel like im just a piece of meat
her: but youre treating me like a piece of meat....
me: how so
me: i want to hear this
her: not enough spanking....setting me straight?
her: um yea.............
me: haha
me: i guess ur not familiar with me teasing u
her: no...but i dont like it....
me: fine fine ill calm myself down if it makes u happy
her: um well....its just annoying but ok....
me: i didnt know u where gona react like that my fault
her: oki doki i dont see why wanyone would want to be talked to like that...
me: i was only joking didnt think u where gona take it seriously
me: anyway enjoy ur movie im gona go and take a shower
her: ok well its not funny but thanks have fun showering


i said i was gona take a shower for me to end the convo basicaly and afterwrds she signed off

Hi treskoosh

thanks for having the courage to put stuff up for critique.

Slipping in the tongue while kissing ,if they have not done that first, is a big NO NO! Too much too soon

Ok the chat.

I think you blew it in the text. not knowing the Shining and admitting it and the sexual talk about spanking. I think she was just being polite and continuing the chat. Politeness can easily be misinterpreted as interest.

her last line is a classic and imho is as close to her telling you to go fuck yourself

forget her. it's tough but move on

i think you went a little overboard with the c&f. it kinda seems like she was in a bitchy mood anyways, but be careful about negging over text (which you didn't even need to at that point)...she might not be able to sense your joking vibe by just reading the words!

Hey treskoosh nice to meet you. I'm erison (*handshake ;])

Nice job getting close with her at the party. But I hope you didn't get emotionally attached just because of all the kino and kissing. I made that mistake with a girl and it completely f*cked me over. Anyways onto the texting conversation.

I was reading everything you were saying and it just didn't have a good flow to it. When you pulled the canned line "I don't know who your bf is but he's not spanking you enough" I think you used that at the wrong time. That line is meant for when a girl is giving you a flirty, but bitchy attitude. The way she was just talking seemed like a normal conversation. Like what slowburner said she was just being polite. Forget her and move on.

And remember with c&f....more funny. Even Deangelo says that.

yea erison got it right. she was just trying to have a normal conversation but you took it to a different level. theres times to be cocky funny but remember theres time to just be normal, normal doesn't mean u have to be cocky funny it just means talking to her as if she's a human being. when you guys were talking about being a piece of meat, you pretty much gave her the impression that she is a piece of meat. and how the hell do you not know the shining??? thats a classic movie. anyways next time just try to be funny with it, if she says she's about to watch a movie, ask with who, than tease her about how that person is about to make a mistake for watching it with her or if she's about to watch it alone tease her about she's a loner. giving her a guilt trip for not inviting you gives her the upper hand and also makes it seem you got nothing else better to do.

yea i shouldnt have taken the convo to the next level anyway i see this as a learning experience and ive learned a shit load from this. anyway i did get the vide that she was moody cuz normally when i talk to her she laughs and responds way faster then she did when i was talking to her this time. anyway its not a really big loss she's going away in like 2 weeks for summer vacation and i wont be seeing her. i will be seeing her agian next year in school since we both go to the same school. anyway hopefully ill get better game and try to pick it up from there. should i message her say something hinting that i was srry for the convo or should i just pretend like it didnt happen the next time i talk to her. and seriously i thank all u guys for helping me out im learning alot from the 2 weeks ive been on this board. anyway im not really that fazed about this . at the party that i invited her after i walked her to the train i went back since it wasnt over. once i steped in 2 girls asked what my name was the moment i walked into the room. i started a convo with them which went very well. i ended up having then want to be on my team in beer pong which i then used kino and such. i just checked my facebook and both of them friend requested me anyway at least i didnt fuck the whole night up agian thanks for all the help u guys are giving me

Hi treskoosh,

I wouldn't apologise for what you chatted/text I wouldn't even contact her, just let it go. If you do text her don't mention it and keep things neutral.

Anyway it seems you have adopted a good overall strategy - learn, practice and keep your options open

Dude,

You need to tone it down. Those negs were just too much, you need to callibrate better, and why neg that heavy if you are already in comfort - it makes no sense!

You don't neg like that on the 2nd/ 3rd day, that shit is just to dis-arm her & her friends initially and yeah you can use a pet name for her whilst building comfort..... but spanking? Dude no - way overboard, use natural game to win her over - which according to your date you did already. You had her and then blew it in the online chat. Sometimes you need to just relax and let things roll.

But hey, It's no big deal! Just do what I used to do when I f***ed up, laugh it off and move on!

Renaissance,

Okay I'm gonna highlight the issues I see, stellar work in the kino and party by the way.

But!
Ack, you did WAY to much Cocky and NO funny. It's great to tease, but if that's all you have in your game, that shows a girl you're not listening. If a line falls flat move on, stack forward. Clearly, you two HAD a connection at the party. But it's better to draw back on the positives.

It sounded like you should have been doing more comfort building since you are pretty much in the rapport phase it seems. I think you should have been nicer and definately too harsh with some comments. I was having a similar conversation one time and was getting this kind of a bitchy attuttude. the advice that i remembered is that girls are very adaptable and they change their mood very fast. So i think i talked about playing with puppies and one of them biting my finger. Go into a cute&funny story rather that cocky and funny.

Check this out: Real Text STR8 from my Cell!! (Complete with LEGEND)
My CUSTOM LEGEND for explaining what's up. The key is to PAY ATTENTION. (Both to what IS and is NOT being said by her!)

* = Shit test. Me to her (M2H).
** = Shit test. Her to me (H2M).
$ = Paydirt! Goal! Primary desired information. Possibly salvaged the text game. (Usually an answered ?)
^ = Salvaging. Losing her or she's losing me. This is the attempt at saving text game.

START
HB:"Oh ok. What u doing?"
Me:"Rite now Im excercisin n waitn on my damn $"
HB:"Nice!"
Me:"Yea its a real pain n da ass coz we don get paid @ a regular time so its always a waitn game.
Hard to plan around.
HB:"I know that's bullshit!"
Me:"Payday suks coz he don ofer direct deposit. He 2 cheap. He want us 2 wrk on time but he always late w/da $"
HB:"I see!"
Me:"Anywho. Wats up wit ubabe?"
HB:"Not much! Just at home!"
*Me:"Watcha wearin? I kno its cute!"
HB:"ha ha! Blk pants and shirt dat u cud see my boobs through it! "
*Me:"I knu it was sexy. U got good taste n clothes! I like da way u dress! Wen do I get 2 undress U? Im a unwrap
U like a christmas present!"
HB:"LOl. Soon enough!"
Me:"I cant wait. I bet ur delicious!"
HB:"Idk that!"
*Me:"Don wory I already kno ur sweet. I cant wait 2 find owt how sweet u realy r! Wat is ur favorit position?
Don wory I like em ALL!"
**HB:"Oh yea? How u know I'm sweet?"
**Me:"U ben sweet 2 me? Maybe Im wrong n ders a sour girl underneath! ITS ALL GOOD! I like sweet n sour.
If Im lucky den maybe ur both?"
$HB:"LOL & my favorite position is doggy!"
**Me:"Alright! Now we getn sumwer. U nevr answrd da question abowt da multiple O. Hav U?"
$HB:"I don't think I did! The answer is NO"
Me:"Wel den we hav 2 make up 4 lost time! We hav 2 get off STAT! It is an intimate emergency. U need sexual
stimulation n satisfaction ASAP!" (Gauging her imagination and willingness to play with ME!)
HB:"ha ha ha! U think so! I don't think is that bad."
(She seems willing but unsure if she should. She needs a reason to!)
**Me:"Whos da doctor here? U need a gud long nite of tension releasing sex! Or a quiky if dats all u hav time 4.
I recomend as many of dem as posible!" (This is me shit testing her!)
**HB:"Oh my god! I hope all diz u talk about is real when the time comes! I've heard guys talking just like diz
and at the end they they turn out to b a huge d"
**HB:"isapointment!" (Can you believe she is now qualifying ME? HUGE SHIT TEST HERE!!)
^Me:"I wont let u down. I dont kno how. I am 2 please n wont stop til I do. If it takes all nite so b it. I focus on
ur pleasure not my own. Dats y u get.."
Me:"Let down."
**HB:"We'll see! Words don't impress me!" (Shit testing BIG TIME!! Great chance to overcome LMR!!)
^Me:"I kno. Dats y I cant wait 2 sho u!" (This is my attempt at closing the thread.)
$HB:"Ok" (That means success is eminent. She's stil on board and playing the game.)
**Me:"No mor words. Only action." (My ONLY goal here is to get her to commit to a meeting!)
**HB:"And u know? I don't really like that you say u focus only on my pleasure!
That's not how sex suposd to be!" (Shit testing me something fierce here, I tried to end it but she wont!)
^Me:"Im a man getn off isnt hard its selfish. Sex shud b 2 people helpin each other get off HARD! If I focus on
u my O wil b betr knowing I tuk care o U!" (Can he save it yet again?)
HB:"Ok." (YES!! The comeback kid has done it again!)
Me:"Guys youngr dan me r selfish coz dey just wana nut n run 2 da nex girl. Dats my best advantage here
I don feel like dat. None o my exs broke up wit me" (I forgot to add 'becoz of sex' here.)
Me:"Dey just cudn deal wit my blunt honesty n kno it all atitude. (Showing just a little vulnerability here as she
needs to know that I am a human being with feelings.)"
HB:"What happened then? You did?"
Me:"Not sure wat you mean."
HB:"Never mind!" (I now realize that she was asking if I broke up with them bcoz I forgot 'Bcoz of sex.')
**Me:"Usualy dey leve thnkn dey can get it betr elsewer. Dats wen dey lern how much I spoild dem sexually.
I evn cookd n cleand 4 dem aftr wrkn all day!"
HB:"aaw!" (I shuda punishd her for bein a smart ass but I realy wana hit dis one. So instead I say....)
**Me:"I realy was a NICE GUY but dey killd him." (Just to see what happens next.)
Me:"Dey stil try 2 come bak sumtimes but its 2 late for dem. If not I wudnt hav any room 4 U! How lucky u r! "
HB:"Lol" (Ah the sweet sound of victory rings yet again!)
Me:"Hey its tru. I was VERY GOOD! Im stil loyal 2 MY girl wen I hav 1 but wen I don I just hav fun."
END

Basically no matter where your convo is coming from as in whatever technology is being used be it face to face or otherwise she is still EXPECTING ANY prostective suitors to be a MAN and LEAD her! Women are taught that a REAL MAN TAKES THE LEAD and that this is THE quality to look for. Basically you didn't lead.
I hope you can learn something from that. If it helps one person its done its job.

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you ask to many questions dude. its sounds like your trying to interrigate her.make statements and let her do the talking thats what women love doing any way.
plus shes watching a movie while your texting her. you have to have a girls full attention b4 you can get the desired replys.
hope this helps

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dont forget its all about having fun, not about being better at picking girls up than others.
Do it for you.

I think u were to stuck up i the material, and that u should listen more to what she says. U were to cocky and almost no funny, so u seemed like just another annoying gay chasing her, instead u should make her chase u. - A easy way to do this is to make she contact u instead of u contacting her the first time.

But my best advise for u would be to start looking at urself as the prize and not her.

Hope this helps Cosy.