It's not just a troll, it's a dragon post. Haha...

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"Live every moment of your life as it is the best"

"Grief is the price we pay for love"

This was a good read.. hahahah i'm sorry but your friend screwed you up big time with his advanced game. He probably liked her too lol. Sucks tho! i know exactly how u feel.

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I made the mistake of being charming and handsome... I apologize

Unfortunately yes.

The problems are:
1) She won't go out with me alone, she had told me the reason is that she's not comfortable going out alone with a boy she has just met (how can I meet her often if she won't even go out?? It's been 8 months of texting and phoning anyway). So she girls that can go with her.

And to make it harder:

2) She can't go out in the night, it must be on the daytime (she can't drive, she's still learning to do it, when she goes out, she needs her chauffeur)

While in the daytime, I'm on the school and so does my friends. Do I have to pick her up on this kind of situation??? It'll too much of a direct interest.

I don't know, she's pretty shy girl with intelligence and good score in school (which means that she'd usually study rather than going out), and sometimes she compliments me for my social skills (who's not good at socializing in the community, anyway? ) which somewhat explains her social shyness. And her friends are mostly girls, so she's awkward with boys. The good thing is that, she's quite easy to touch and kino with her awkwardness. The hard thing, it's hard to meet her in person. She prefer to live safe rather than dangerous and fun.


But on the phone, she was quite fun and kinda naughty (offering me to wear her bra when we talked about bra sizes, and told me that she's not afraid of the pain of first night/sex, instead she thinks that it'd funny) Yep, we're both virgins and nerds guys! Both of us had never been on a relationship, never kissed anybody, and no sex. So if I can penetrate through her "no touch" shields and LMR's, it'll be the first makeout for the both of us. (good, she's fresh! )

The problem for me now is arranging the day2s. So should I pick her up or anything??

Advices, feel free to share.

Best pal,
Steven

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"Live every moment of your life as it is the best"

"Grief is the price we pay for love"

Unfortunately yes.

The problems are:
1) She won't go out with me alone, she had told me the reason is that she's not comfortable going out alone with a boy she has just met (how can I meet her often if she won't even go out?? It's been 8 months of texting and phoning anyway). So she girls that can go with her.

And to make it harder:

2) She can't go out in the night, it must be on the daytime (she can't drive, she's still learning to do it, when she goes out, she needs her chauffeur)

While in the daytime, I'm on the school and so does my friends. Do I have to pick her up on this kind of situation??? It'll too much of a direct interest.

I don't know, she's pretty shy girl with intelligence and good score in school (which means that she'd usually study rather than going out), and sometimes she compliments me for my social skills (who's not good at socializing in the community, anyway? ) which somewhat explains her social shyness. And her friends are mostly girls, so she's awkward with boys. The good thing is that, she's quite easy to touch and kino with her awkwardness. The hard thing, it's hard to meet her in person. She prefer to live safe rather than dangerous and fun.


But on the phone, she was quite fun and kinda naughty (offering me to wear her bra when we talked about bra sizes, and told me that she's not afraid of the pain of first night/sex, instead she thinks that it'd be funny ) Yep, we're both virgins and a little bit nerdy, guys! Both of us had never been on a relationship, never kissed anybody, and no sex. The differences are, I know about game and are willing to change my life.

So if I can penetrate through her "no touch" shields and LMR's, it'll be the first makeout for the both of us. (good, she's fresh! )

The problem for me now is arranging the day2s. So should I pick her up or anything??

Advices, feel free to share.

Best pal,
Steven

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"Live every moment of your life as it is the best"

"Grief is the price we pay for love"

Waste of time.. move on

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I made the mistake of being charming and handsome... I apologize

Yeahh. I just wanted to say 8 months is wayyyyyyyyy to long for 2 meets.! That's ridiculous. How the hell did you kino her!? How can you build attraction without actually spending time with this girl.

2nd. Sorry man, Your "unnatural" friend fucked it all up for you. You can't be that direct if shes not really that comfortable being alone with you. Plus, why'd you let him do it? He has no feelings for her. He doesn't know whats it like. Your the one who has feelings for her. So what was on that text, was'nt coming from you.It wasn't you.

On my point of view, this girl is game over. You can still be friends with her, I guess. Just don't come out too strong. Don't call/txt her as much. Treat her like one of those friends you just casually hang out with from time to time.

good luck bro.

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I'm not a player, I just fuck a lot.

Yep, I've made my decision. We're both on holiday season now, and because she's staying in her place, while I go to my hometown and have crazy fun. So let's see if she's looking for me (in my country, especially high school girls, if they start to text u first, it's one of the biggest IOI's u can ever get). It shows that she likes you, so I'm just gonna wait and see. If this approach fails, I'll game like there's no tomorrow.

I escalate sexually via phone, in it's lightest form (sexual talking, discussing about her bra size,etc). But what made me a little bit curious is the result I've gotten from text game I've had applied on her:

So I was on the way to my hometown, via car and I just texted her like this

Me: Hey Ella (her name), last night I was having crazy party with my friend Nick Nolan. still remember him?? He's the crazy, tall Irish guy that you've met. It's really sad to have him away, u know. He's one of my friends who can cheers me up while I'm down. It's rare to meet somebody like him. Do u have any friends like that?? Btw, I have a favor to ask u, but because I'm a good man, I'll just ask you first, what time your farewell dinner with ur teachers will be?

Her: Some of the teachers can't make it today, so it'll be postponed until tomorrow.
To ur hometown?? With car?? That must be boring!! Yes, I have 1 that is funny, so my bad mood always gone when I meet her/him (IDK what's his sexuality )
well, your favor must be to keep u in company via texts while u're on the way,right? Why me? U have a lot of girls, just pick up one of them from there. .. Just kidding. Well, I don't have any stories right now, I'll have my dinner first, then maybe I'll tell u story

Me: Yep, I have lots of girls, but none of them have funny and silly stories like you. OK, enjoy ur meal.

Her: Eww, you're so confident!! Are u obsessed to be a player now, after you've bullied while you're still fat in the junior HS?? No offense, hehe Where are u now?? How's the trip so far??

Me: That's right, Ella #1, I hope u're cooler than Ella #2, she just pissed me off. She begs me to make her the only one, I say I can't because I also like Ella #1. I'm at Tabanan now, and with you Ella #1, it's not boring at all. I should tell Ella #2 that she should be more like you. Hahaha... What's 1 food that you like so much that u can't resist??

Her: Hey2, don't be a judgmental guy. I don't like to it. Everybody has their own quality, even if we have the same name. So u don't have the authority to compare which one's better?? Hey wait, didn't Ella is pursuing Mr. Nick? Why she's pursuing u now? And make u the only one?? U have a lot of girls that is ur girlfriend?? Is is that east for you to say "I love u" to a girl???
Well, does ice cream count?? I love but I'm afraid that it'll make me fat

Bingo!!

I've put emoticons to emphasize that I was joking, but still she reacted like she's jealous.

Me: OMG, seems like that I have to meet u in person to joke with you. C'mooon I was just jokin'!!! I've put sooo much emoticons to emphasize that I was joking. C'mon cutie, I know u're a fun girl. Haven't I told you about "how to be my girlfriend?". It takes more than looks and she must qualify my standards before I say I love you to someone. It doesn't mean that I don't like casual relationships, but even at casual relationships, I pick my GFs. I'm also sure that u're not after a super serious relationship aren't you? Or are u going to marry ur first boyrfriend??
And there's no 2nd Ella, I only know 1 Ella and it's you. U're taking it too seriously.

Her: Haha... Seems like that u also take it too seriously, I was joking too!! Maybe it became too serious because I'm watching presidential debate right now. Man, we had so much misunderstandings. Well well well.... but it won't affect our friendship y

Her: (2nd text) And I wasn't mad either, just want to know what kind of person are you, my friend


So guys, what made me think these are IOIs

1) She overreacted to the text that's obvious is a joke. (She's having her menstruation, so is it's kinda understandable for her to behave like this??)
2) She put "it won't effect our friendship", "just want to know what kind of person are you", to hide her intention.

What do you guys think? Let me know.

Best pal,
Steven;)

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"Live every moment of your life as it is the best"

"Grief is the price we pay for love"

One big thing you're doing wrong is you keep chasing her.. stop texing her leave her alone.. the more and more u keep texting her consistently the less your chances will be. And u DHV'd your buddy to her.


She's not kidding.. she's trying to brush you off onto some other girls because you keep hitting on her and she's trying to let you know she just wants to be friends and nothing more.
shit test


Making a girl jealous is a good thing!! It makes her feel as if she's already lost you.


her message was just a way to see how you would react to test your congruency, if you were a unapologetic ladies man with other options other than her, that had moved on and didn't want her anymore and DHV'd then u could have had a slight chance. But you crumbled in mere seconds which completely turned her off big time. U could've actually turned it around a bit if you had strong congruency and started to get her to like you but one thing you don't do if you've not indicated high value is to not show interest in a women first before she's shown it to you.
See what I mean.. She was playing her game on you. From these other post I can definitely see she has a little bit of game.. just enough to work her magic

She didn't really send u IOI's she just kinda was playing around a bit cause she was bored. Like how we joke and kid around with our friends. It's kind of like how I use to have a really good female friend and we both found each other attractive and she would even say she genuinely thought I was hot.. Would me and her ever go past that boundary and hook up?? NO because we saw each other as just friends, the same way this girl sees you.. You should respect her wishes and start over on another women, as far as I know, You won't be getting her anytime ever. It is what it is. Sorry.

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hey brother,

Well first off lets look at the big picture , how much time you have invested in writing all this thread just for one girl , and how much your expectation seems to be on this topic.

First off you need to work on innergame , once you realise that you dont need any women on this planet , including your own mom , you will be the king of all kings.

Once you realise that getting laid and not getting laid will not change the happiness you have inside this will boost you up , being rich , being fuckin cool and being the ladies man is a bonus.

once you get a firm grip on what I like to call it the innerframe you will automatically know what to say and when.

remember one rule as a person I dont give a sh!T what people think but I consider it and respect it.

as for your girl accept that some other guy will be bangin her brains out and its cool because you will be bangin some other bunch of girls brains out.

its the way of life and its something in your hand.

I dont mean to sound negative here but its just time to move on, I have been there and trust me one day you will be laughin about it once you get your shit fixed together.

AVK