I guess you could say I've "been in the community" since around Fall 07, but I've been out of the loop for a bit. Something's been really bothering me lately, and it's that I'm really starting to get the feeling I'm too old to be out at clubs/bars trying to pick up girls.

I'm 27, and almost all of my original friends have settled down, gotten married, or moved away, so for the past 6-8 months or so I've been hanging out with a different crew of people I got to know through some friends, and they're all 22-23.

I live in Richmond, VA, and it's really a college-ey type town. When you go out to the clubs, sure there are plenty of hot girls, but they're ALL 22-23, seriously. Every girl I chat up turns out to be a sophomore or Junior in college. Some of these girls are even 19-20!

This crew I hang out with knows a ton of hot girls, and I do what I can to introduce myself to them, but I'm starting to feel like an older loser who shouldn't be out at bars anymore. I mean I like the club/bar scene, but I just don't understand/feel comfortable that every single person is 23 or under.

I've been reading some more posts lately, and I've been seeing a lot of threads started by high school students...?!?!....

I guess I just wanted to ask, how old is too old? I mean, I haven't settled down with a girl yet, I dated some through my 20's but now I'm on the far side of 30. I feel like a serious, dorky old guy when I try to talk to girls now. Even the bartenders are like all 20.

When I go into a place, I walk around with my head up and shoulders back, and always keep a confident kind-of-smile on my face, but the girls just don't notice me. It's like they can smell it or something.

Are there things a late 20's guy can do to attract and fit in more with hot early 20's girls?

I mean they say "hey, don't sweat it, you've got your whole life to get this right", well, what if, one day, you look up and all of a sudden you're 27 and the only girls you see when you're out are 20-23?

Age is just a number my friend. In my experience college age girls don't really care about age. If you're older and already have a career path established this could even be a major DHV to the 20-25 year old girls. It's all about how you spin it. You could be the 27 year old loser still hanging out with college kids, or you could be the fun loving 27 year old too young at heart to settle down. If your new crowd of twenty three year olds don't care about your age, why should you?

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Im 27 too bro Id say if your looking for older women go online alot of girls our age and older have kids and jobs and feel just like us when we go out. As far as the younger girls not responding to you Id say its something else usually they like older guys take another look at it might be your crew, appearance, approach something. Good luck

Try day game

Yeah, I know, right? When I was 22, there was NO same-age dating going on; the girls did seem to flock to the slightly older guys...well, more like 25 years old, etc. A little more background that might help out:

As far as the professional track thing that was mentioned, I'm getting my MBA, but was laid off from my (pretty good) job last Nov. along with a crap load of other people, where I was bringing in some pretty good cash for a 26 year old. I was doing that while getting my MBA then too. I mean I'm straight financially for now, but I'm focusing more on school.

Still, not having a job, and not being able to find one the way things are makes you feel like real shit; maybe they're "smelling that"

I tend to dress better than my 22-23 year old crew, more than half the time I'll be in a blazer with an untucked stripe shirt and jeans, slightly elevated look than a lot of the t-shirts and jeans you see around....I mean I dress....older, but it feels right. I like to convey myself with a sense of class anyway.

You're right, my group doesn't really *mind* my age; they tolerate me, but I've never really quite felt IN the crew. If I'm gonna go out at all on the weekends, I've gotta start making the calls; no one EVER calls or texts me.

Dude think about hew heffner he is OLD and can still game any girl.
AGE DOES NOT MATTER.....Get your confidince back .... I'm betting you have missed a ton of them 19-20 that wanted you but you where to much in your own head to notice.

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27. Shit. OMFG you are so old. Your corpse must be virtually decomposing already.

No women has ever found a man over that critical age of 26 attractive.

Seriously, this is such a non-issue. You don't have to be a PUA to see that many women prefer much older men and most just don't care much either way, with probably a slight general preference for older.

If I had to choose an age to be again it would be 27.

If you can't get a boner even WITH Viagra, you're probably too old for pickup.

Thank you for coming back to our forum. I think we need more older men to balance out this ridiculous influx of children we seem to be getting nowadays. Yes, I do see the irony in ME saying this. No, I don't care.

However, at age 27 I'd imagine the average sexworthy man to be living a little more successfully than your average college frat boy. I think you'll find a warmer and more suitable niche at higher-end bars if you want to stick with the night scene. You won't feel as awkward because most of the college kids will be carded hard at the doors and turned away. Cover charges and drinks may end up costing more, but you might just find an environment where you can be at your A-game.

Hey man! Im over 30, my youngest close was 20 this year. PU has a place in every mans life. It is not just about getting laid, it is about personal development. Yes Chief, I agree with you, way too many children and not enough grumpy old men like me!

There is no reason a girl cannot desire an older man, I have seen this on numerous occasions. Dont listen to that daygame comment either... You can totally rock the clubs and bars better than any of the younger men/boys! If you set your mind to it!

Ezo

Dude, Style and Ross Jeffries are older than u, don't even trrip.

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Guys, thanks so much for giving me some perspective on this.
That said I wouldn't mind up'ing my day-game without coming off as some kind of creep.

And TrueFlame, I hope you're right.

Chief, yeah, there are some higher-end bars around, and I've been to 'em all. Sure you've gotta pay a little at the door, but that's not the big deal. If I switch, I will be going *alone*.

Is there any special material on sarging alone? B/c that could really help me and I've never really mastered it. Oh, I have the BALLS to go out alone. I've done it all the time, but I always end up sitting at the bar by myself looking cool and sipping my drink, without saying a word to anyone. If I mention some observational/offhand thing to a girl next to me, or who's come up to the bar to get a drink, she'll often look the other way without saying a word.

From people who've lived in other states, I'm told that Richmond's bar/club scene is notorious for being clicque-ish; people go there *with* people they know, and sure they might branch out from time to time, but it doesn't happen often. It's not what's known as the "meet market" that bigger cities have.

The skills of flying solo that members like PUADave seem to have going on might be my answer.

Thanks again guys!

The secret of sarging alone is to not be alone. As soon as you enter the venue you enter a set. All guys, mixed, all girls, it doesnt matter, chat with them, build social proof and sail on to new adventures. How can anyone know that you just met those guys? You are lauighing with them and having the time of your life!

Ezo

hell no 27 is not too old. come on you cant be serious, 27 isn't too old for anything, as long as you breathe, my friend, you are young enough for pua'ing

Im turning 27 next month and I am doing alright! I deffo think being slightly older can give you a good advantage when trying to pick up girls.

Next time you are at a bar just look around at how lame some younger guys are when they are approaching women!

mystery is like a 37 years "old man"