Actually been watching a lot of Blueprint decoded material recently & reading the course notes. I think Tyler Durden breaks the natural game down quite well. I had a lot of preconceptions about the guy from "the game", but I've been impressed with him & with his newer more natural material. RSD certainly has moved in that direction from some of the old or clips I've seen.

True, but then again your talking about a man that believes women are cruel and will always try to test you, and there are Alpha cock blockers Amog whatever, he also teaches that you have to DEMONSTRATE HIGHER VALUE?? Since when? The BEST naturals know that they put a very high value on themselves, they go into the interaction wit this in mind.

Swinggcat is a Natural? he does promte some natural like ideas, but I cannot say for sure he's a Natural. I do like his ideas though. I'll need to venture out an try to find material by the other people mentioned here.

Mystery is NOT a natural, hes anything but, the opposite infact.

Yeah seriously, way too many routines and terms to be considered a natural.
I haven't done much research, but from what I have discovered Vin DiCarlo and David DeAngelo are pretty good.

i Cant beleive no ones mentioned Adam Lyons yet. In my opinion his stuff is the best.

I've watched a couple hours of Blueprint Decoded & read all the course notes & didn't see DHV being taught once. Basically what was taught was to believe you are the man, the selector, who doesn't care what others think & are giving women a chance to speak to you. Didn't really need DHV's. TD said about 2004 he complete changed RSD's course to learn and teach natural game & it took him & his instructors 4 years to learn it and map it out.

I'm the 2nd guy to mention Adam Lyons. He's the best natural I've ever seen. A natural and a great man with no par. He's just great.

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I saw a video of Adam awhile back, when he explained what he had noticed about naturals from his experiences observing when they would hit on his girlfriend. His description of what makes a natural a natural is the most accurate description I've ever seen given by someone who didn't start out a natural themselves.

I'd say he's on a different level from the typical natural game teachings.

ummmmmm Tyler?
hello? how come i havent even seen his name here, cmon he's like hands down number 1
Tyler Durden of RSD, especially his blueprint series, amazing and life changing

**my fault somebody mentioned that** oopsies! lol nehoo,
this will sound bizarre, this guy im mentionin is not even a pickup artist, but the person who rly can teach being a natural, not just with women, but in life, is Eckhart Tolle. Read his book "the power of now". yea, life changing. combine that with RSD material.
But im also currently watching "on being a man" by David D.

Guys, this is getting into a very interesting discussion about what actually means
"a natural". I haven't heard a "Official" definition but here is what PUA Lingo says:
"The community refers to guys who do not have knowledge of the community but who still are able to attain PUA results with women as naturals. "
Thus, the idea of "becoming a natural" sounds ridiculous since you can't be one when you know about (and use) the community's methods. More interesting, I haven't found a single other explanation of the term "natural" (though I'm sure there are some, and I would like to hear them). I must say I truly believe becoming a natural is possible (and even essential for the guys who want utmost PU success). So, I think the question "What defines a natural?" should be asked and discussed, moreover opening a new thread about it will be a good idea. This, I hope, will clear a lot of misunderstandings about naturals. Even for me, defining the term is hard. I tried structuring my understanding of a natural, but every time I've written it I felt the explenation wasn't completely accurate and true, and there was something that I've missed...

Staying on the topic, as allnatural said, Tyler Durden. He's awesome and he has changed my life and my perception of the world a lot.

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Tim appeals to me more than any other natural.

Natural Tim (Flawless Natural) for sure!!! His method and style is for me THE Best. It's so simple yet so effective, also I feel like it is one of the more "Natural" natural methods, but that could just be because I'm naturally a more direct person. WOO! + Intent = Pure gold. Most of his stuff is on his blog to so you don't really need to buy the DVD, but the DVD does help give a good look into what your aiming for.

How is Mystery not a natural when he figured out how to get chicks by himself?
The people who use his mystery method aren't naturals, but he uses his OWN stuff and figured stuff out on his OWN just like any other natural.

Naturals, (Successful men that didnt need to be in the community), also have methods ya know. Just because you use one doesnt mean you're not a natural.

If however you mean a PUA natural (someone who strives away from canned material and routines, then mystery is not a natural.

I just thought i'd bring an interesting point of view into play.

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