My story is that I hate women. I love women, but I hate women. I hate them becuase they have broken my heart so many times with their rejection. I hate them because my ex-wife made logical promises that she allowed her emotional state to later break and then she would "rationalized" the poor decisions to herself later. And I realize she is just a woman, doing what women do. She ruined our marriage, not to say that I don't have any blame, but the INSTICT that they follow is insane. I hate women for being the bitchy people that they act like when I approach them in social settings such as bars. I hate women, but I love women.

That said, my entire motive for learning pick-up is so that I can be the heart breaker. I want to seduce as many women as I possibly can and then break everyone of their hearts. I want to make women feel the rejection and heart break that I've been made to feel. The more women I can make feel this way, the better. You see, in every relationship, there are two ways for it to end. Either one party gets their heart broken OR they get married. There are no other ways out of a relationship. I have no desire to remarry or even find an exclusive girlfriend. I'm not interested in one night stands either. I want to keep a few girlfriends around at all times, maybe 2 or 3 at a time, and as I "sarge" and find upgrades, somebody gets their heart broken and it ain't me.

So, should I pack my things and leave this forum, being that my stated intention is to "get even" with women?

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seek help.

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Not trying to be argumentative, but, you didn't answer the question.

I promise I'll leave if I'm not welcome. No hard feelings, I promise. It's just that I was on another PUA forum and as soon as my true ambitions were revealed, it was obvious the forum mods didn't want me around, so I left. Figured I'd just be upfront and honest about my intentions.

Yeah...I'm probably sick in some F'd up sort of way. Maybe after I actually break someone's heart, I'll feel differently. I mean, I make it sound so easy, but the more I think about it, the more I think that we men actually have more feelings and more heart than women because we've had our hearts broken so many fucking times. Kind of like a salesman's best prospect is another salesman. I think I've broken one woman's heart in my entire life. Maybe there's been more, but I guess when you're the one who doesn't give a shit, you just don't realize what your rejection is doing to that other person. Anyhow, as the chaser of the species, we don't get many opportunities to break hearts anyway.

I'd love nothing more than to make the women who've broken my heart in the past feel the same shit they dished out to me. I'd love nothing more than to have some chick hit on me in a bar, where there are like 70% women in the place, and just turn my back on her in the middle of her "sales pitch". So yeah, I feel like I've got a score to settle with women in general. Sorry, but that's the way I feel. No sense trying to hide it.

If you don't want me here because of my stated ambitions, that's cool. I'll leave. But I honestly don't feel like I need help. I've talked to a lot of normal men my age in the bars who feel the exact same way on this issue. So, no I don't think I need counseling or "help".

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How do you know you won't become attached to the girl who's heart you intend on breaking?

I can't blame you man, I've been there.

I think because of your heart having been broken you've become jaded and have adopted the wrong perspective. I don't believe it was the womens' fault on why you've felt so shit. No, it's been entirely your own. With this stuff it's NOT about what the girl does, it's about what YOU do. A master PUA shouldn't even LET his heart be broken. A sign of a PUA having a broken heart is a sign of a PUA being needy. Even in marriage you've got to keep your game up.

So, what I say to you is, don't view women as the enemy. Instead, view yourself as what needs improvement. I reckon you will feel a whole lot better that way as you can CHANGE yourself, as I'm sure you realize, but you can't change women. We're given what we have to work with and that's all there is to it. If you don't like women don't play the game, no need to take revenge, which will probably make you feel a hundred times worse in the long run. Instead, stay positive, relegate past experiences to lessons learned, and move on. Like the phoenix, rise above the ashes and fly!

um..i like women..so maybe you should get some emotional issues out of the way before you start to date. see a shrink?

- Memento

how long ago did you and your wife break up?

I'm with Dirk on this one. It's not women's fault you got your heart broken. YOU allowed it to happen, and it's YOU that needs the fixing not the other way around.

That's an asenine statement. You might as well say that every woman is perfect and unless we're perfect too then it's our fault when we're hurt.

i was once in ur position, and i once had that EXACT same goal. this mindset actually made my game worse and made me more and more rotten on the inside.

Stick around a while and see how people respond to your current mindset; Whether the people here accept you or not, I know you will eventually mature from this self-destructive hate. There's better and you will soon see.

-Edited Out--

You should be here to improve yourself and thereby improve your abilities with women. I posted something different and I was wrong.

I still welcome you, but I hope that you will learn while you are here that women are not the necessary enemy. I love women and everything that entails. But I will not stop helping people learn how to shoot just because I don't like them killing deer.

EvoJ

--End Edit--

I don't agree with this. I'd hate to think that our advice and information was being used to deliberately emotionally fuck with people. See, I actually *like* women, and taking out a grudge against an entire gender is both sick and retarded.

Again, to the OP, get your head straight. The world is not as bad as you seem to think it is. Being bitter is overrated, get over it, move on.

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Well, it's like this: I don't want an exclusive relationship. At the moment, and I can't say I'll think the same way in 10 years, but right now, I don't ever want to be married again. Exclusive relationships lead to marriage and co-dependence. I've got logical reasons for saying this but I won't bore you with them here. Though closely related, it's an entirely different subject.

I don't want to be alone for the rest of my life either. I WANT female attention.

My options are to either set a goal of as many ONS's as I can get, which NEVER happens to me and I really don't enjoy them anyway OR I can set up several girlfriends at once. To protect myself, the only way I know to do that, is to continue sarging for new women. If I don't continually sarge for new girlfriends, I'll get "comfortable" with not approaching women. Once I get into that comfort zone, it's a real bitch to force myself out of my comfort zones. And when you're in that comfort zone, it's a lot easier to make the mistake of committing to a woman.

That said, if I've got 2 girlfriends and I find a new one out sarging who's more interesting and more attractive than a current girlfriend, I've got to cut the old one lose to make room for the new. It's gonna break her heart, even if shs's not that emotionally connected to me. Rejection hurts your feelings. No getting around it. I'd rather it be them than me. That's for sure.

That said, LOGICALLY, there is no getting around "heart break" anyway. The only way to avoid this is if BOTH parties find a special someone else to occupy their attention at exactly the same time. Otherwise, someone's getting their heart broken OR the couple is getting married.

What I'm trying to say is, even though, right now, I WANT to get even with women, it wouldn't matter anyway, given my action plan.

The only way to avoid breaking a woman's heart is to commit to them exclusively and hope like hell that she doesn't break yours. For most PUA's, I'd guess they're breaking women's hearts all the time. What's the difference if I enjoy it or not? Heck, I've got one girlfriend who's not that attractive right now, and already, I can see I DON'T really want to break her heart. But I'm way too good for this girl, I think, and the long term plan is to eventually break her heart. Honestly, I don't think I'll get an ounce of enjoyment out of it.

But man what I wouldn't give to break the heart of some chick who's rejected me, even if it was just a back turn in the middle of conversation in a bar as I was hitting on her. I'd KILL to get even with these women. I NEED to sort things out in my mind. The woman I care about that I'll eventually have to dump IS a woman and I KNOW she's acted that way to other men. I just got lucky to somehow get past her ASD shields and she realizes that I'm too good for her and that's why she hasn't moved on to someone better and broken my heart.

I hate women, but I love women. Maybe I am losing my mind.

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Actually, I would like to make a change to my statement. I would just edit it.. but that wouldn't do...

I thought about it and I am not here to "Pick up women better". Well not JUST that.. I mean that will be an after-effect (and an important one). But yeah. I officially strike my statement from the record.

My bad.

EvoJ

(removing old post now.)