I once reid somewhere when saying to a girl we should meet up ie date etc, its good to cancel plans first time etc. to show ur value and u have other things to do and ur not needy, I was supposed to meet this girl 2night, and i didn cancel because of i thought it was good 2, altho it was in back of my mind, cus i know its bad circumstances she finished work late and had it early next day, so i canceled....

I felt that when i said about date, it went a lil jerky, so it felt good to change the frame, she replied omg ur standing me up lol, no worries we will have to make plans for another time, u have a good night, Hb8. So seemed that flaking is good cus it gives a sorta push pull effect, and communicating your in demand and your the prize.

Just wanted your guys opinions on it, my game has really stepped up lately and getting to the stage of dating and day 2s etc. Knuckles. x

Unless you have a legit reason to flake, as in something came up, don't do it. Ya it may seem to be a great push pull thing. But flaking intentionally is bad. Think about it. The girl you asked out made the time and the effort to meet you and you are going to reward her by not showing up?

General rule of thumb: if you say you're going to do something, do it. If you don't want to do it, never agree to do it in the first place.

There's nothing that flaking could demonstrate that you couldn't demonstrate while on the date anyway. So who has more value to a woman? A busy guy you can never rely on and trust or a busy guy who can be relied on and trusted?

Flaking tends to cause rebellion. It doesn't raise your value. At best, it simply makes her feel like shit. Go on the date and game her. You can't fuck a girl who's sitting at home angry.

Good luck, man.

- Roy

Very, very well put. Flaking on a woman won't help you realistically in any way. Just show up, its hard enough to find a woman thats not flakey, why ruin that by flaking on her for no reason? Or some weird falsely rationalized reason? Just meet up with her.

Flaking is bad. Its not accepted even when you have high social value. When making the date arrangement say you only a few days you can hang out, that way you at least demonstrate a little high value.

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I think you miss read what I posted. I know and agree that flaking is bad. But shit happens in life and there are times when you have to break off prearrange plans because of what is going on. Lets say your boss calls you to come into work because something major is going down and he needs you there pronto. Are you going to blow off your boss or the girl you made plans to meet?

Think of it like this. If you are a stand-up guy. You would be a man of your word to the extent of keeping prior obligations. You should not need to flake or 'play games' if you have a date set-up already.

If you have to cancel for one reason or another, as things do come up occasionally. Let her know reasonably and there shouldn't be any reason why you couldn't reschedule.

As to just flaking for value. I don't believe in it. Don't think it contributes to your game at all. Just check out how you see yourself in this situation. Are you the stand-up type taking a woman out, or are you playing a guessing game?

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it sounds like a good idea, i may be trying this on a day2 i'm working to get. just as long as it's canceling and not flaking (telling her in advance vs. just not showing up). again, i can't say and am actually wondering the same thing.

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