I have a married chick on the side. I've been doing her for about 5 years on and off. She is very petit, very passive, very unhappily married and works out a lot of pent up sexual tension on me. Over the years she's become a pro on my cock. She can give nearly perfect head. She's submissive, obedient and will do anything I ask her.

A couple of months ago, however, I got bored and a little irritated with her. She was more or less demanding sex every Wednesday (her day off). Not that I don't mind the great sex, I just didn't like that fact that she was expecting that I would give it to her every week. So, I told her I wasn't going to see her again until she completed a "mission".

I told her her mission was to find another girl for us to have a 3 way. At first she said it was impossible. So I said, okay then, I guess we can't meet. After a few weeks, however, she started having cock withdrawal symptoms and emailing me constantly so that we could hook up. I now had her focused on the mission again, and this time she was serious. It's been about a month and half since she has been taking the mission seriously. She still hasn't found anyone yet.

About 3 weeks ago I met another girl who originally started out as a one time lay. We had good sex and hit it off and decided to keep seeing each other, and she is cool with the fact that I am with another girl (not the married chick, but my real girlfriend). This new chick seems to really dig me. She's already accepted that I have a girlfriend and she's okay with being the side girl. As of now she thinks she's the only side girl. What I want to do is get the married chick and this new chick in a 3 way together. The married chick is game because she is having cock withdrawal. But with the new chick I'm not quite sure how to bring her into the picture. I've never orchestrated a 3 way with 2 girls before. Anybody have any experience with this or advice on how to get the new chick to go along with a 3 way?

Dude what R U doing w/ a MARRIED woman for the last 5 years !! If her husband finds out about you I'm sure you have thought of the consequences..People do crazy things when they are pissed, ask some of the PUAs here. Anyways, so for a 3 way.

I once took both the girls out for dinner and tried to make both of them comfortable in my presence. I flirted with both of them in front of her other (this creates a very flirty environment). And then took them both to my place, put some music on and first danced with one a little and then the other. Once I felt that they were feeling the music I sat down and watched them dance and be comfortable with each other. Its something with dancing that makes girls FEEL it.

Then, I tried a routine that is: Ask one girl(say HB9) to close her eyes and that you would whisper something in the other girl's(say HB8) ears. Tell HB9 that she cannot look(they always do !!) and instead kiss HB8. Then do the same to HB8 while you kiss HB9. wrap your arms behind the two and give one kiss to each which leads to them kissing each other. I held back at this point and wanted them to kiss, joked about how I was missing the fun etc.. they included me and the rest is history.

I have had 2 three ways and both times the routine worked. The second time it was lot more smoother. Incase you have any LMRs with HB9 then keep kissing HB8 while you place your hand on any soft spot of HB9. I was cautious to make sure that neither girls realise that the other has an LMR.

Wow, you are the pimp. Thanks for the advice. Sounds good. Basically I have to make these two girls comfortable with each other. Sorry, I'm not up to par on the terminology. What does LMR mean?

'Last Minute Resistance' dude. It's basically the biologically programmed feeling of anxiety that a girl gets before she has sex. Being able to manipulate LMR is a deal maker or breaker. Because girls get pregnant when they have sex, LMR basically kicks in before you try to bed them. It's a survival strategy. I'd explain the origins but cbf Nowadays it's just an inconvenience for us men! Due to condoms, the pill and other tools, girls can have all the sex they want, but LMR still remains... Most girls will state that 'They don't want to be a slut' but that's not the real reason..

This is an update of my situation:

About two days ago I got an email from new girl telling me how I satisfied her in bed, how we should try to go on a real date, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, the truth is I closed her so fast we never actually went on a real date and have just met for fucking the last 3 times. So now she wants to go on a "date". But I'm not really interested in doing that. I already have a serious girlfriend.

So I said, "Okay! Let's go on a date. I'll bring my married friend, Akiko, she's always asking me on a date as well. Now I can satisfy both your needs at the same time "

Bad choice of words there I guess. New girl blows up and gets all pissy, "I thought I was your serious on-the-side girlfriend, but I guess you have many on-the-side girlfriends. Maybe I don't need you in my life....blah blah blah"

I then sent her an apology, telling her she's a great girl, stroking her ego and saying sorry at the same time. She said we need to have a talk and that it's okay if the married chick is just a friend.

Sounds like new girl may be a little too dominant to pull this off. What do you guys think?

Further Update:

New chick got so pissed she said she doesn't want to talk to me or see me anymore. And all this from merely suggesting that I bring another girl on a date with us.

Back to zero again. Have to find the right kind of girl to pull this off.

Further Update:

New girl got so pissed that she said she doesn't want to see me or talk to me anymore. Damn!! She had her own place where I could cruise by after work and get some action on the side. There goes that nice set up. And all this from merely suggesting that I bring another girl on a date with us.

I am by no means an expert on the three way thing, but did luck into a few of them back in college. I had been hooking up with a very hot German bisexual girl (my first lay [finally!!] after being in a 4 year relationship - in which I foolishly was faithful, LOL). She seemed quite into me, so after a few weeks I asked her where she thought this was going - we had only really spent time in bed so far. She was a bit surprised by the question, said she thought we were hopefully developing a relationship. I told her look, you are fucking awesome, but I have been with one woman for the past 4 years, and there is just no way I can be happy jumping into that again, I'm totally not ready. She was a bit let down, but we kept hooking up, till she decided she wasn't happy continuing as a fuck buddy. At this point I made a proposition - since she was attracted to girls, and all I wanted was just to have some new, exciting experiences, I would be happy to commit to a relationship with her, so long as other girls got involved on her terms. She actually agreed to this vs. losing me (sounds like your married chick refuses to lose you too). So she picked out a girl (who I had never talked to, but was a very hot freshman, also quite experimental, who I had seen around campus). I lived on campus, but pimped out my dorm room, which was quite large, with two mattresses on the floor, pillows everywhere, surrounded by candles, etc: totally sexual vibe. Her friend came over, and I sat at my desk having a drink and a smoke, while they started playing with each other on my sex shrine bed setup. After about 15 minutes, they came over to me, and started kissing me at the same time then led me back to the bed. My girl started going down on me, while her friend was going down on her, and I manuevered myself into position to start going down on the friend...etc etc.; after 4 years with one chick this whole thing was totally surreal, and to be honest, I was nervous as fuck!
Anyway, (sorry for the digression) I
a) stated an ultimatum (like you already did)
b) reassured her that she was the person important for more than sex, while the other girls were not.
c) let her pick out a girl (there was another girl she asked who was also interested - actually told her " I thought you'd never ask" ), but this chick had been fucking one of my friends and was less hot, so I declined).
d) let them take the lead, get each other hot, and waited till they desired the dick, rather than trying to force the dick in the mix (possibly driving them apart somehow?)

Later the same threesome was repeated, and this time it was quite different - they really collided into each other right away, ripping off clothes and the sex was way more aggressive and wild.

Drawbacks: I was in my early twenties, they were 18 and 19, and as much as I thought I knew about sex, I realized there is a lot of technique to a threesome none of us knew (all first timers), some things were just plain awkward - I did try to direct traffic as best I could, but some education would have made me a more impressive lover I guess.

I am not a guy who blows his load too soon, but also not someone who can go again and again - being in that situation for the first time actually reversed this: I was dismayed that I shot off a load way before I wanted, but the cool thing was, I was ready to go right away again, something totally unique for me.

There were some issues the second time, with the girlfriend getting jealous. I just could not help the fact that I wanted the new girl so intensely, I still had such a huge craving for new pussy, after my 4 year supression of those desires all through my late teens and early twenties.

So be very mindful of letting her be the most "sexy" girl by your actions, even if she isn't in your mind: this is the biggest thing. Don't give away how enthusiastic you are - this is a mistake I made, I behaved with more enthusiasm than I claimed I would.

Does the married one know any wild women that have ever mentioned to her that they are into this? If you can let her choose, if not look together, but let her "choose." If you can bring together two separate girls good for you - but I think that's way harder - get one girl who is down (married girl), then give her some control over selecting the other. Besides, isn't it more fun to involve someone you have never been with before? I had two girls, at different times, state that they would want to have a threesome with me and the other chick, but it never happened: the reason is that they were jealous of the one on one sex(when it was focussed on the one more than the other). If they were involved together, it would be easier - my history with each served as a barrier.

Sorry about writing this novel: It sounds like you may have all this figured out way better than me, but I am giving all the advice I can - even if I came up with this stuff as a young man, and this was all natural game - with the skills some guys on here have, who knows what's possible?!

Good luck bro, DanO

You just made her feel like a slut and "usable". Anyways, we live and learn. Remember one thing the best of PUAs LOVE women. They like them and enjoy being around them. Thats one reason guys like Mystery would also say things like "Call a girl after you've had sex with her. Its a big thing for a girl to give her body to you"

So mate, love women, have fun but never disrespect them. Now back to your situation.

The girl is not out of the picture, duh !! Think about it. If she really did not want to speak with you she would have ignored your message and never replied back. She is surely PISSED at you but its not necessarily a very bad thing. So You still have a chance. And this is how I'd do it.

You got to go back to comfort, and be less Cocky and more funny (she has her defenses on). Do not apologise any more; you have done that enough. Built comfort over the mail. I'd say something on the lines of I'd tell her that I haven't met a girl like her with such strong character and that I'm impressed that we would not take each others shit. We should just be FRIENDS. And then say after 2-3 mails see if she would grab a bite with you. I'd promise her that it would be for old time sake; A quick bite.

Nothing sexual on the date. I love to make them laugh and be c&f. Think about it women go through so muchin their lives. every guy like you wants to get into their pants. So if you can create magic by laughter you come across as a breath of fresh air. But by laughter I dont mean being a joker though.

Anyways, take it on from there and then we could get to how you could intro. the married friend and then have the three some that you always wanted.

I'd say dont just give up. It could be a good learning exp for you. And yeah, in the future treat a woman rite, its different than putting her on a pedestal

First off I want to say Dano, you are the man. I like your advice, "let them take the lead, get each other hot, and waited till they desire the dick, rather than trying to force the dick in the mix." It kind of mixes in with what I read about in The Game in which Strauss mentions that you must have one girl who is the "lead sled dog"

Marc, thanks for your advice as well. You were totally right. I backed off a little and new girl game back again. I look forward to your advice on how to get this 3 way started.

Now for the update:

After new girl sent her email that she didn't want see me or meet me anymore I sent her an email and ego stroked HARD. I told her how fun it was to be with her. How she treated me so well and how some guy will be so lucky to get her someday. I then wholeheartedly agreed with her and told her that, seeing that I had a girlfriend already, that I was not the right guy for her in the long run if it's a marriage partner she's looking for.

I get an email back from her. She is saying, "Oh, you're such a nice guy. I think my words were too harsh.... blah, blah, blah... I want to see you again."

So after work I stopped by her place. Hadn't seen her in a week since our last fuckfest. Damn she looked hot! Tight jeans fit around her curvy hips, tight shirt on pronouncing her tight body and firm breasts. That shit is intoxicating. She didn't want to fuck cause she was on her period so we made out and I sucked on her perfectly taught tits for a while.

Between makeout sessions we talked. I nefariously started plotting my 3 way project again, but did it ever so subtly. First, she explained to me that the reason she got so pissed was because she thought that the married chick and her were, as she put it, "on the same level" of importance to me. I immediately quelled her worries on that matter and told new girl that it was her, in fact, who was more important to me and I told her that she was on a higher level than married chick. Whether that's really true or not I cannot say, but I knew it was the RIGHT thing to say.

After that she seemed to open up a little more to the idea. I also added in, "Don't tell (married chick) that I told you that you are on a higher level because I don't want to hurt her feelings. You understand, right? I told (married chick) about you and she said she would like to meet you..."

More making out, tit sucking, dry humping...

Talk time again:

Me: (warming up to the real topic at hand) So, if someone were to pay you a million dollars and all you had to do was show your parents a video tape of you having sex with your boyfriend, would you do it? And who would you show the video tape to? Your mom, or you dad?

Her: I'd show it to my mom.

Me: Why?

Her: Cause my mom would understand more than my dad

(this was a fluff question)

Me: Okay. Next question. Tell me the kind of guy that is NOT your type. Tell me 5 attributes.

Her: Fat, selfish, egotistical, bossy and inconsiderate

Me: Okay. If someone paid you a million dollars and all you had to do was go out with that guy for a year, have a full on relationship with him, including sex and introducing him to your parents, would you do it?

Her: For a year? Sure. I think I could bear it for one year if I was going to get paid a millioin dollars in the end. Then I could go to the salon every day and blah, blah, blah, blah....

(this was a fluff question leading up to the target question below)

Me: Okay. Next question. Have you ever seen a really, really beautiful woman, where you thought, "Hmmm, she's attractive".

Her: Yeah. But it was more like, "She's cute."

Me: Okay. Now imagine that woman. If there was someone who was willing to pay you one million dollars and all you had to do was go out with that beautiful woman for 1 month, including sex, would you do it?

Her: (answering quickly) Sure!

Me: Really?

Her: Sure. That's not so hard.

Me: Are you sure about that? Think about it. She would be eating your pussy out. Do you think you could enjoy that?

Her: Yeah. I don't think it would be so bad. Besides, I'm going to get a million dollars and it's only 1 month.

Me: Hmmm. Well, what if it was only $100,000. Would you still do it?

Her: Yeah, no problem. I'd even do it for $10,000.

I then moved on to a couple of other questions. I didn't push the whole lesbian thing because I didn't want to make it seem like that's all I was focused on. But from her answers it seemed like she was definitely open to the idea.

Here's what I got going for me so far:

New girl now feels that her "level" is higher than married chick

New girl is hypothetically willing to have her pussy eaten out for $10,000

So I figured it out. I have to make new girl the lead sled dog. Married chick is already in and will do anything to get the dick again. New girl has resistance. Next time we meet I'm going to get her to visualize having her pussy eaten out more and being licked and carressed by another woman.

There is one little glitch though. Do you think this matters? Married chick is "average" looking. She's not the super hot model type I talked about in my hypothetical line of questioning.

Any opinions on this? Any advice on how to carry out from here?

Something I thought maybe I should mention in addition to my other post:
Afterplay: I think its smart to have some plan what to do after the threesome, especially if one girl is especially sensitive. In the experience I wrote about, my girlfriend was most upset about what happened the next morning, not really at all the actual sex. The morning after the second threesome, the girl who joined us stayed in my bed for hours, till 1 or 2 p.m.
I though it was great, all laying there naked (me in the middle), kind of chatting, caressing. I made them both a cappuccino, I got into some deep conversation with the other girl about all kinds of spiritual, personal shit...
THIS is what threatened my girlfriend, that someone could come chill in her territory and get so much of my attention. And she was right, I was way too into the other chick, and did a terrible job hiding it - thus ruining future threesomes. I was caught up loving the feeling I had two girlfriends to sleep with at once: my total fucking fantasy.
What I should have done - I mean it would have been harsh as hell to kick the chick out!! - was excuse myself. Done some homework for once in my life, whatever, and let them chat and caress. If that wasn't doing it for her, guest girl would have bounced, problem solved.
To answer your question (as best I can) I really don't think your new chick will be as uptight about "how hot is she?" as a man would be. God willing, if they hit it off and vibe, that would be the key. Maybe you can even use it to your advantage, assuring her she is the hottest of the two and is therefore most important in this threesome: the star of it all. The threesome is very different from the hypothetical you mentioned: you are involved. This means, she could start to worry about all kinds of other shit, like feeling unattractive by comparison. You are golden with married chick.
I feel like I want to warn you, don't take married chick for granted. She is so down with you, for 5 years! She is blindly willing to participate. In my case, it was different, one was my actual girlfriend, I had to give her special SPAM. In your case, either one could get their feelings hurt. My only advice I can think of, do what you can to bring them together so they enjoy each other. If they are having fun together, they will soon realize they want some dick added to their party.
I look forward to you updates man, I hope some or any of this is any use!
D.

Thanks. They always respond to push and pull but you are dealing with a girl who is not very confident of herself.
Your new girl seems to have some confidence issues. My guess is she never grew up with a strong male figure in the house. Say someone like an older brother or a father who would be there for her no matter what ever happened. She probably has a father who would just give rules and tell her what to do kind of.

This is the girl who would who would require some peep talk after the 3some. She would in my guess would second doubt herself and would be jealous if you give the marrie dchick more attention even during the 3some. Keep that in mind.

The questionn Game was a great move. I'll try that myself, hope you don't mind me stealing that from you. Ofcourse I'll use my version and let you know how that goes. BEsides I just posted a Field report from last Saturday on how I kiss closed 2 friends. Its a simple tale but I'm glad I could pull the kiss closes off.

So now to your situation keep playing with the idea w/o pushing it a whole lot. everytime you make out keep gettin the idea of another girl e.g kiss her while touching her and seductively ask her something like " Imagine a beautiful girl rubbing you while I kiss"... And keep up with your updates and we'll try to advise you on how to bring up that date.

BTW... the way that you described your new girl man I am jealous already could I have her address [/quote]