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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 6:06 am 
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Eager to practice the game, I was invited to the last crew party of the year. Socially proofed out the wazoo ( I was on the crew team for the last three semesters) I decided to practice game, in a somewhat safe environment.

I typically try to open at least three women a night, and then go have fun and if the opportunity presents it self practice game. Otherwise I find that too much rides on your results and you don't got out having fun.

The first set I opened was a two set that came in my friends room to talk,
I opened with the Do you think girls see when other girls wear make up opener, with no time constraint, The obstacle started talking, and the target agreed, but then I fucked up (miscalibrated or something). I was trying to be cocky funny but the tone of the convo was somewhat serious, I asked the target if she was wearing make up (dumb because it was glittery) and then was like, its ok im sure your still pretty. Despite my smile I didnt say it right, because she didnt laugh. She said Oh ok, (not amused mind you) and the obstacle was like, are you serious her make up is glittery how do you not see it in this well lit room. I fluffed and I ejected and went on.

A little bit later, I opened a second set with the jealous girlfriend opener, that got them talking but I couldnt really bring out the cocky funny DHV stuff because they got to into talking to them selves.

I broke to go grind and dance with some girls who had been to a party of mine who had opened me asking if i remember them. I wasnt intersted in gaming them so I just focused on having fun and griding with them. That put me on a natural high so when I left to get air I noticed a three set standing in the corridor outside the makeshift dance floor.

I busted on them for not dancing and got both obstacles dancing, and then the target wasnt dancing so i busted on her for that. That got both obstacles laughing and the target weakly tried to come back with (what are you wearing, is that a shirt) (it was a 90's party so I had cut the arms of a tuxedo shirt and was wearing that.) I responded with what was in retrospect a harsher neg that was called for. I said " you know, yes its a shirt, something that is socially acceptable to wear. Have you never seen a shirt before? *turn to obstacles* Man she doesnt get out much does she?" At this point she was clearly tired of me making fun of her and she left but one of the obstacles (who was kinda cute stayed behind). She asked me my name, and we talked and I tried to spin her for a lock in but she was bit drunk and just spun into the same spot. (mental note, dont talk to a girl side to side its a wierd position to be in and really hard to spin into lock in from) I ran the esp routine on her for fun, and asked her to come dance. She then seemed to become aware that her friends werent here and was like I dont know I have to find my friends, so I said pleasure meeting you and ejected.

Overall, im improving tiny bit by tiny bit, but each interaction is like cocaine, its a total rush.

Things to work on,
Figure out how to pull of negs, socially calibrate them
SLOW THE FUCK DOWN, I get so caught up in what im doing its like trying to hold back a river, I rush from routine to routine with out building them and at the end its just like a mad catharsis, not how its supposed to be done IMHO (sure theres somehting to be said for plowing but you have to do it properly)
Talk slower
Don't Peck.
Don't try to neg everyhting in sight. <-- some help on this. When should I neg/ who should I neg.
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 9:08 am 
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well first great to meet you interesting story thats really good that ur out there gaming the clubs but first i have a question did you go alone
and u had some quest in the end i think that neg is very easy
u should neg usually 1,2,3 depending on the look if shes a 10 she gets three
8, or 9 get 2 and 7 gets 1 so negging

pua:did you see that fight outside....
girl: no and i dnt care about it
pua: wow u dnt let her out much i mean u can dress her up but cnt take her anywhere

dnt overneg only do it when she deserves it and makes rude comments but a neg is a playful comment dnt seem like a dick or an asshole

so when u do the neg finish ur story dnt let ur get in a word after u neg her
suchas
pua: okay now wheres ur off button and continue another routine

hopes this help talk to you soon

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:45 pm 
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I go alone for now, trying to find wings.
So is a neg only used after a rude comment? or as playful teasing ?


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:53 am 
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I would have to say never rude or a direct dis and for that matter, never dis anyone in front of your target or her obstacles. It should always be playful and teasing.

Personal experience here, my GF was sitting with me while made a rude comment to someone that was totally within the bounds of that relationship, and she had this vision of me as a jerk that couldn’t control my mouth and didn’t tell me about it for months. She told me was afraid of introducing me to her friends or taking me to parties because she was afraid I would say something that would embarrass her or be rude to her in front of her social circle.

That said, I think Mr. Conriquez was saying both, neg according to HB status of the target (I would +2 for hired guns) then additional negs to punish her for rude comments.

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 5:12 am 
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negs are all about delivery, like with the "not what you say but how you say it" sage advice.
i honestly don't look to neg anymore. I don't even have any stock ones I use. I give value in a positive way, from the angle of "i'm looking to meet fun, impulsive people in this semi-boring city" and go from there. something about putting someone down, even playfully never clicked with me. since it doesn't, it's proven difficult for me to incorporate into my game. drawing them into my frame has done better. my wingmen tell me that's b/c my frame is completely in tune with how impulsive I am and to just stick with that. in the end, you have to act accordance with your core beliefs, whatever they may be.

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