Opener:


Do you think it's cheating if a girl, who is in a relationship with a guy, hooks up with another girl?

Then I set up some situation where my supposed "girlfriend" right now cheated on me with another girl. This is not total BS because this did actually happen to me with my previous girlfriend. So the story is that we were at a party and she was drunk and hooked up with another girl in front of my face. For this story I throw in some kino here and there combined with some humor.



Questions:


What do you guys think of this opener and beginning routine? Do you have any suggestions on how to make it more interesting?

Most importantly, how can I make this a story that demonstrates higher value?

Also, where can I go from here? What is a good new topic to move into at the end of this story and conversation? How do I transition from making this a purely informational/opinion approach to a number close or even a kiss close? What is a good way to do this without looking like an AFC?

Alright, well as a guy who recently got out of a relationship because my LTR of 2.5 years (who was bi, and yeah awesome during the threesomes) decided she wanted to be with a girl I can respond to this...

I don't think it's really a DHV story. I mean, when it first happened to me I talked about it, but girls don't dig that. You sound like you're whining. It's try-hard. It shows the opposite of pre-selection. And the fact that she cheated on you in front of your face shows that you're basically a huge pussy. No offense, I'm just seeing it from a girl's point of view. There must be reasons that she cheated on you in front of your face. You must have low value.

That being said, you can turn this around. Open with the question if you want, then go into your story but really blow it up. Make it sound crazy, like how she cheated. Something like this:

"We were in the middle of this party and she was dancing with this girl on the pool table. Some guys yelled to make out, and they did, and one thing led to another and they were full-out ripping each others clothes off and having hardcore girl sex right on the pool table. I mean, hard core... they were not holding back! Everyone thought it was awesome and they were congratulating me on having such a sexually crazy and hot girlfriend. It was cool for a minute, but then I realized that it wasn't cool, because even though she was really hot and great in bed, there are just some things that are private. Being sloppy-drunk is no excuse, and having sex in the middle of a party is really insecure and attention hungry. I just had to break up with her. Looks and being good in bed are one thing, but there are way more important things as far as I'm concerned..."

After you say that, you follow it up with "I mean, look at you. You seem like you're a pretty nice girl, but I mean there are a lot of nice, pretty girls out there. What makes you special?"

Now you've turned the story around. You dumped her, she was of lower value. You were preselected by a hot girl that everyone agreed was super hot and you were really lucky to have. But you walked away. You're not needy and she didn't control things.

After you ask her what makes her special, she will, if things are going your way, begin to qualify herself for you. If she does than you should quickly have the IOIs to move on to kino escalation and a number close. In order to be congruent, if using the above story, I would not try for a full-on make-out K-close as you said the girl you left was try-hard for her public displays. Remember, that's a turn-off. Maybe a discreet kiss goodnight, or if you can bounce to a private location go for it.

Now, if I might delve into the subject of bisexuals for a moment. Let me begin by saying that I have many friends of both sexes who are gay or bisexual and I have no problem with them. The girl I was with for 2.5 years and was very much in love with was bisexual.

I took our breakup very hard and I felt like it was my fault, and that I drove her to being with women. Well it's now been about 3 months and I have had time to think, reflect, and talk with some of my friends, particularly my lesbian friends, and finally reconcile with my ex.

Through all of this, what I have learned from my friends is that dating bisexuals is simply dangerous. My ex is not a lesbian; she is bisexual. She will always be bisexual. A lesbian friend finally drove this home to me when she explained she went through the same thing with a girl that was bi. It occurred to me then that my ex would most likely leave her girlfriend at some point for a man, just like she left me for a woman... it is just the way they are. Now I don't mean to offend anyone when I write this, and I don't mean to stereotype or say that everyone fits this model. But it's just my attempt to save all of you from some emotional trauma, should you consider an LTR with a bisexual partner. I will not deny that threesomes are an amazing experience that everyone should be so lucky to experience, however, it might be something to pursue with an FB, not an LTR.

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"As to the deceit perpetrated upon women, let it pass, for, when love is in the way, men and women as a general rule dupe each other."
-Giacomo Casanova

Zulu that was a really cool and insiteful replay. I've never got that square in my head.

If you're dating a bi-sexual girl, I guess I always thought it wouldn't be that big of a deal, because even though she might cheat with another woman, she could also cheat with a guy. So in my brain, I try not to worry about bullshit like that.

But if I am picking up on your vibe. Are you saying that, or think, that a bi-sexual woman is prone to cheat, simply because, with a man, she will be missing out on 1/2 of her sexual urges/needs?

I can sort of see that.

On my end, I do want to meet some women who are open to a threeway. In my mind, I see it as normal thing. I don't think I would have to sell it too hard. If they are game, I think they will catch my vibe on it.

Oh and Jorge,,, look, if you really know what you're doing you can make anything work. But you got some issues going on with this concept. ANother bad angle is that the ladies might think you are trying to talk them into something weird before you've established attraction.comfort/rapport.

I think chicks dig weird subjects like that. I'd save it for after you established some rapport and gotten some IOI's.

CHeers Brotha's!

No. I don't want to imply that someone's sexuality has any bearing on their fidelity. However, I was saying that being in a monogamous relationship would cause them to miss out on half of their sexual urges/needs. Think about if some girls had mouths, and some girls had vaginas. You fell in love with one who had a mouth. You might love her, but at the same time you would be longing for that vagina...

For the record, my ex never cheated on me, and I have to give her credit for that. She talked to me and told me how confusing this was for her. She didn't know what to do because she loved me, but she couldn't ignore these feelings anymore. At the time I thought it was BS and I was very angry at her. But then I realized how hard it must be for her to have to go without fulfilling half of her sexuality. I think I can see it more clearly now, and however odd the above analogy, I hope that it is helpful.

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"As to the deceit perpetrated upon women, let it pass, for, when love is in the way, men and women as a general rule dupe each other."
-Giacomo Casanova