Hi guys, it seems some of your are pretty good at using NLP/SS in your sarging. Respect. I would like to pick some of your brains if you don't mind.

For background, I got into PU by watching the VH1 show. I joined this site, learned some openers not associated with the show, and had minor luck. I found that Austin is nearly sarged-out. I had more girls call me out on being a PUA than start conversations with me. I quit sarging for a few months b/c I felt like I was barking up bent-over tree. (I am not deluded, I understand that some of these call-outs were the product of me not being great at it)

I finally got around to reading The Game over the last week, and NLP/SS really jumped out at me. I believe it did so b/c of my experiences being called out in the field. SS seems like it's virtually call-out proof, and in theory it sounds a lot more efficient.

It seems to me that SS is something that you'd either use in the Comfort stage of attraction, or in an ideal situation where you've opened a one-set. Basically, I get the sense that you must have isolated your target and and she must be at least mildly interested in you/what you have to say. Sound about right?

Also, I was wondering if any of you have ever used an NLP/SS pattern and immediately had the girl all over you? Ross Jeffries seems to imply that if you do it right, the target will fuck you right then and there (more or less). This seems a tad unbelievable to me, but as an rAFC a lot of PU tactics do.

How do you prefer to use NLP/SS? Do you open MM style and then use it in Comfort? Do you know an SS opening style I haven't discovered yet? Do you incorporate it into Natural game?

I'm interested in NLP not only for SS but for my sales career as well. I know how to use the "search" feature, but I would like to have this discussion in reference to my situation. Thanks for reading and replying!

Shame u not UK based, there is a wicked seminar this weekend with Christopher Howards, he mad with NLP, in all areas of life. We going to this to advance more NLP game, SS and MM ways of using NLP are kool, but tailored to just getting lays. Im talking bout using NLP as a mental weapon of mass destruction.

Ive been thru alot of the purge and replenish type activities NLP works u thru, conditioning the mind to never fail and to always think sucessfully etc.

NLP does work in SS, I have actually acheived the trick Ross Jeffries used on the waitress, where he makes the mental hook to physical sign.

I find when ive tested this (and I mean with friends) that people are more likely to be susceptable to it if they know its happening.

I usually tell the story of the last people I did the trick to when Im doing the trick on them.

I did it on 2 scottish guys the 1st time, one run off with a hardon lol. The other cudnt stand (i tested on guys because I just thought itd b a funny party trick). I tested it next day with my mate and his gf, after the routine they left mine promptly and had sex around the corner of my house.

I understand the concepts, just some of the practice. Im not advanced in NLP as a whole but I do have an understanding that is big enough to help and advise etc

Heya mate,

Speed Seduction is a wonderful tool to use for women, and more and more I am coming to enjoy it. There is an odd learning curve, and it takes awhile to get a handle on it, but it pays off in ways that no other method has (for me that is).

If you ever ran into Ross Jeffries and asked him if you should use Mystery's Method for approaching and building attraction, he would probably kick you in the face and drive off in his SAAB. While Speed Seduction does offer some advice for opening, its real focus is to get you into patterning right away with a woman. Now, personally, I no longer use the Mystery Method too much for approaches, but i think that if you are fully stuck on using the M3 Model, then yes, SS would come in from A3 - C3.

- Memento

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"Love is three quarters curiosity." ~Casanova
Hominem Unius Libri Timeo



Diploma in Clinical Hypnosis -- GHR & NHS

Thanks for the replies guys, this is just the kind of info I was looking for.

Memento, I've noticed in some of RJ's videos and in The Game that he gets PO'd about people using other methods to open. I actually don't want to use MM, at all. I just don't know any other way to open, as I'm new to all of this and used to have awful AA.

NLP has helped me get over a lot of that AA, but I still find myself using MM to open. I would rather not b/c even if I don't say, "I need your opinion on something," girls recognize that I'm using MM.

That is part of my attraction to NLP/SS (the unrecognizability), but I also find this more appealing b/c I have a very good relationship with my own subconscious.

Zikki, I'm also researching non seduction based NLP, to supplement my sales career. I think it will be a formidable weapon for my arsenal. It seems like the uses of NLP are enormous, whether it be talking your way out of a shit situation, scoring a lay, or closing a deal.

I hesitate to buy into using only SS, b/c I've heard of many sargers using Patterns in their mid-game. If they work so well, why wouldn't that be the end, save some LMR? Maybe they just aren't very good at it?

I have a couple lady-friends in mind that I'm going to try SS on (just for kicks, unless I'm just that good with it ) to see what happens. I can't wait to become proficient at this!

I study NLP as a broader subject, Ive delved into MM + SS and took from it what I must. Ross Jeffries does have the whole NLP on lock, him and Steve P is it?

They have some wicked Video sets etc. I like NLP but I think its a dark art in seduction, I use it as a generally rebuilding tool for people who have some serious mental blocks affecting their game. It really helps get passed emotional barriers and anxiety issues etc.

Fundamentally I use NLP to teach people about themselves, how they work internally and how this relates to other people.

Not many people are responsible enough to entrust certain patterns etc with

If you're looking for an SS product to get tarted, i would ignore the BHSC and the BHSC 3.0 (video) and get a hold of the Los Angeles 1999 seminar...its far more structured and powerful (in my opinion) and I've learned much from it. Highly recommended.

- Memento

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"Love is three quarters curiosity." ~Casanova
Hominem Unius Libri Timeo



Diploma in Clinical Hypnosis -- GHR & NHS

Memento - Thanks for the advice. I'll have the video shortly, can't wait to see it! It's seeming really easy to incorporate the positive frames Ross talks about, I can feel my AA shrinking away.

Zikki - I often hear of SS/NLP as a "darker" form of seduction. I think as long as you 'leave her better than you found her' it's all good. Then again, I'm a preacher's kid, what are ya gonna do?

I know it sounds early, but I was using mild NLP last night, more to boost myself than to work on her. If I had known a pattern I would've used it, I think I could've done wonders, but who knows. My body language was tight, she was mirroring me, and I think I built some mild sexual tension, but I have a long way to go. I missed a couple good opportunities for kino, but I learned a solid lesson from my mistakes.

Damn it feels good to be not be as AFC as I used to!

The first rule of hypnosis is that you can never make someone do something they don't already want to do.
All you can do is bring those feelings, potentially unconscious feelings, to the surface. Who would ever want to use SS skills on a girl who didn't want to feel those amazing feelings? As others say, im not of the mind to offer a gift to someone who isn't of the mind to accept it.

- Memento

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"Love is three quarters curiosity." ~Casanova
Hominem Unius Libri Timeo



Diploma in Clinical Hypnosis -- GHR & NHS

That is an excellent rule, you're the first person to tell me that.

I'm 90% sure that on some level she wants to be more than friends. I've had a number of LJBF lady-friends, but she doesn't act like them at all. And she got drunk and was coming on to me really hard once, let me cop a feel and all. Back then I was so AFC I didn't follow up. I don't ever see her except once every 3mo or so. Every time we do see each other she pays me a lot of attention and gets nervous/flirty.

I think I could get her down w/o NLP, tbh. It's all speculative bullshit until I make a move though.

Do you have a good link to the LA 99 Seminar? 13kbps is not cool.

yeah I wouldnt mind that seminar either, links??? lol

we need like a private file host for all vids and ebooks etc across the community lol