Hey guys,

Was out the other night, practicing my game for the weekend and I opened a 2 set with "Hey can I get your opinion on something, I have a friend who's girlfriend still has pictures of her ex in a box under her bed" the friend goes to me are you using MM? and i acted dumb pretending to not know about it, continued on and the friend pipes up again saying "yeah he's trying to pick you up" I denied it again, until they completely blew me off. Should I start going with more situational openers or what?
This actually intimidated me a bit!

Hahaha, they knew. Next time go with it, ask them how they knew about the MM. Get their opinion on it. Remember the true purpose of the opener is just to open. If you use canned routines, I would give one a shot and if they know Wing It! Stick with Natural Game.

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Guess i got a bit shocked and froze up straight away. Its the first time I have ever had a girl know about it.

I live in Australia in a fairly quiet place, but this club was full of young HB but they all had bitch shields up becuase they live in a cocky rich area and know guys are going to try and pick them up.

So what happens if girls are finding out about this stuff, like I have been told not to try and tune American chicks because they all know about this and wont go for it???

LOL! Loved it. Think about it this way, you are denying you are picking them up when you are making it obvious you are trying to pick them up. What do you think they're thinking? be like "Yeah, I'm using MM, what of it? It's obviously working"

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Anyone can walk into a bar and pick up a random girl.
The trick is to make the experience unforgettable to her.
A real PUA will make every women he encounters feel like she experience something once in a lifetime.

A few things. The " I need to get your opinion" is a red flag for women who know the the game. I got called out on it then I just changed it to "hey quick question.... " and that helped alot. Also Your voice tone could of also made it sound scritped

Second that opener is from the game. If there is any openers that will get caught it will be the ones from the game or the show.

If they ever ask you that again what worked for me was"you mean beauty and the geek?" and it disarmed them pretty much everytime. Or just tell them you are and trying to find out if you are interested or they are interesting. This keeps you at a higher value and gets them to qualify themselves.

If I were you learn the structure on how to make an opener. Like someone said above the opener is just to get you in. One of my favorites was "do you guys think flowers on the first date is too much?" then transition into a story about how my friend was deciding to wether or not to.

Thanks dude! I've been looking over the forums to change my openings. I want to prevent from being called out as PUA! Appreciate the advice!

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No shit... that must have sucked. Unfortunately, MM and neil strauss use FAKE game. Routines, canned openers, NONE OF IT WORKS. Why? Because it is NOT YOU. And when you are acting out of your person, you are one creepy son of a bitch. And thats worse than being a normal guy that doesn't approach ANY women.
Here, go natural man. Find a way to get Cory Skyy magnetic Mindset cds, and once you have internalized the beliefs mentioned, and done the exercizes, you will have the right mindset. But Afterwards, or before, either way, here are mp3 from cory skyy, he is the best with women and its all natural game.

http://www.podcastblaster.com/directory ... 24838.html (download #60)

http://www.badboywithaheart.com/audio/Davidd1.MP3

http://www.badboywithaheart.com/audio/Davidd2.MP3


That and the magnetic mindset cd's Is all you need. Have fun

This is simply not true... It works!

The problem with using other peoples material is not that it is not congruent or that is is not you, any good storyteller or actor or lier can tell you that... The problem is that those things have been used over and over again by newbies that spam openers... They are too well known.

Using routines works, thats why it is an important stage of developing your game. But, as soon as possible, get your own material! If you do not, then there is a bigger chance of you getting caught. And destroying for others...

Ezo

I agree, Ezo.

It's very important that newbies aren't given the impression that canned material is a false method, because it's vital for their early development.

The trick to the method is delivering it in a congruent way. Once you've gained the confidence and intuition you will be able to ditch canned material and react spontaneously to all the women you meet.

Another benefit is, is MPUAs can fall back on canned material whenever he experiences long awkward silences in a conversation.

People really need to respect it much, much more.

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No, It's not vital for beginners. And its definately NOT the only way for beginners. You can work on your outer game as much as you want

IE: approaching as many women a day or 10 women a day, face fears/ get rid of approach anxiety. Guess what, 2 days or 1 week later, what happens...Mad Approach anxiety. Get blown out after saying the first few words.--Women can smell your agenda and lack of confidence no matter WHAT routines or canned material you use.

IE: Use a routine on her, neg her, qualify her, throw hoops at her, disqualify her, kino escalate her, isolate her. Some guys are doing this stuff IN ORDER TO MAKE HER WANT HIM OR GET WITH HER. That is NOT the reason to use this stuff. If you are real, you use this stuff because you REALLY DO have standards, or you test women alot naturally, or you pick on women because (neg) it's something you have always done. If you are doing it because it's "written in THE GAME" And it might get you laid, NO its not natural and its not you.


It starts with your mindset, from there, you naturally and somewhat consciously adjust your body language (eye contact, stance, relax) The words you say become irrelevant. In that case, you can say a freakin routine BACKWARDS Line for Line and it will work for you. Point is... If you don't feel confident in yourself, or you feel you have to approach multiple women to become great with women, WRONG. And nothing will make you creepier.

Us men are NOT supposed to do most of the talking. Thats not what women want. Thats the women's job, leave it that way. If YOU are doing most of the talking, its just weird. IM very open to everyones opinions, but the ROOT truth, is there
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Strong words man.

Anyway, yes, inner game is the shit. Agree with you so far. Yes, a good PUA can say the routine backwards and still get what he wants. Yes, if you do the shit naturally it works better than if you are faking it.

BUT! You miss the point. Routines are things you use before you get to that level. Routines are things you use in order to develop your "inner game" "confidence" "lifestyle" whatever you wanna call it.

While you are learning you are gonna need some tools that will get the job done. Routines are like that, just training wheels. You need them in order to feel comfortable trying. Without in field experience you would not develop the right "mindset" as you call it. Without routines not many people would dare to try it. Yes routines are fake... So what? They teach people the game structure. Thats it.

Ezo

I agree with you Ezo. They are slowly easing me into the situations. And the best thing is that every time I go out. I learn something new. And a I have my own openers now that are getting better and better. Half the fun of it is progressing and learning from different situations.

Dont fit the mold? Use your own variations of the methods provided that way you do not get caught...

Otherwise straight play dumb, just like if you were being interrogated by the feds.
MM? Whats that?
You girls seem to know alot more about it then i do?
Is this some new type of bible that girls are going around studying on to catch guys?

As long as you do not get shut out or they leave you in the dust you should be able to get back on the horse and continue.

I would say... Why lie? So she tells you that she suspects that you are a PUA... You say... So, I am a PUA, what does that matter?

And she might say, aaah, you are just trying to pick me up...

You say, not with that attitude, you better behave!

Or, what makes you think that you are PUA GF material?

Just be who you are, never apologize for it, never deny your nature, they can smell that... And if you happen to actually get her, when are you gonna tell her?

Ezo

This is an excellent thread that brings up many good points.

From a newb perspective, I relate to you, OP. I've had more than a couple sets recognize that I was gaming them and they always ask, "Are you from The Pick-Up Artist?" or "What are you a PUA?"

I blew every one of these sets by denying that I knew about the game. I'm starting to see that it's a shit test. In fact, the next time I get called out, I'm going to take Shadow Box's advice and start a conversation about it.

Think about it: we obviously care about this shit enough to go out and put our dignity on the line to try it out. What better thing to talk about with a girl than one of your favorite hobbies? Now I can't wait to get called-out again. Thinking back to the times they called me out, I'm 90% positive if I just would've admitted it I could've talked to them for a while, and maybe ever got them on my team!