your a fucking oddball mate...

Johny Zulu wrote This is really good!

I am not sure I can explain this in a politically correct way. I will take an example of rich and poor people.

Imagine a poor family living in the slums. Not much money, not much social status. Then one day the man wins the lottery, it is enough money to get a really good life, he could move out of the slums and get an average life. Still the man does not move out, he stays, spending his money on cool stuff for himself showing off in front off the neighbours. WHY?
Because if he would move, he would just be one of many, he would still be a nobody, just with a higher amount of resources. But if he stays in his old neighbourhood, in comparison to everyone else, he would be a king. Top Dog!

Same thing with the captain of the football team. The girl could get an older guy and raise to the higher levels... Dating an adult, she would just be the young girlfriend in a circle of his friends. But they are not the ones she bases her own value on. She bases her value on the approval of the people around her. Namely, the girls and guys at school. So the captain of the football team will give her a higher social status in her own little world. That is her world and that is what she wants...

Ezo

Simply put, the football captain has social value which is valid and relevent to her life, a fully fledged adult does not have such value?

HA! Cant actually believe you wrote that! What a cunt!

"But it doesnt mean that it is impossible for him to get a girl his own age" I never said it was impossible to get a girl his age, I was simply stating some generalizations.

"There is such a thing as personal taste" I completely agree

"I am an older guy and I can imagine older and younger girls both" Shit, I can imagine anything the hell I want to, I can imagine fucking my friends mom

"You can not just take some thing you learned in your highschool biology classes, mix it with what Mystery believes and hold it for true" First of all, I'm a Biology major at a prestigious university, who is will soon graduate and go off to medical school. As a matter of fact, if you were paying attention, but most PUA is actually derived from evolutionary biology. Ever heard of peacocking?

"Second thing I wanna oppose, you are not helping this guy, only making him feel worse" Sorry for that, I really don't want to make anyone feel bad, thing is there are always gonna be stunning women, and thing is the kid reminds me of a young men. Just remember HB's are not scarce! Don't get too worked up over one, there are plenty on this planet.

"Third, ok you advise the man to read up on his biology... It is good to understand the biology behind mate selection etc etc because it shows you where the attraction switches come from. But to blindly believe in them without understanding them is plainly stupid. If you would be right there would be no such things as 17 you couples, men with older women, couples of the same age, girls going for guys that are not perfect. You are wrong my friend" I don't blindly believe in anything. However most of us do, to go off on a philsophical tangent, have you ever heard of Descartes? Hell, I never said a 17 year old can't date someone his own age. ON the contrary I've seen a 20 something year old date a woman who is over 70 years old! Look it up. I was giving some generalizations. Humans are much more complex creatures than animals, in terms of emotion and what not.

Sorry to be so hard on you man, I just thought it was necessary to set this straight.
Right back at ya man

This is not about winning the discussion. About giving advice that helps people, not just randomly saying things without experience or a solid reasoning.
Oh the biology major of a prestigious university soon to be a med student is trying to teach me biology... Eh, man, Im not impressed, been there done that.

I could write a long post about how you misuse biological theories when you apply them to PU... But Im not gonna, it is a waste of time and a silly way of having a biology/pick-up duel with a newbie in both fields...

Fin... Yes, that is exactly what I mean.

Ezo

And... I know how it is to be a newbie we have all been there, nothing bad about newbies at all. If you ever need help with anything just send me a pm man! Welcome to pickup!

Your friend

Ezo

I'm in about the same age range as you (16), so maybe I can offer some help.

I've actually done that to guys before. Ever considered that maybe she was waiting for you to tell her you like her/ask her out or something of that nature?

If you don't make it obvious you like a girl, they may assume you're just friendly or the type of guy who is flirty with every one. She may think you're just talking to her because you have nothing better to do. It would be stupid for a girl in that position to put her feelings on the line for a guy who may or may not like her.

This is also part of being an "Alpha". Alpha's are real men, not wimps. Would an Alpha sit around waiting for a chick to say she likes him? No, he would be confident and make the first move.

If she's giving you IOIs, she likes you, at least a tiny bit, and if you tell her you like her, she'll like you more. We like people who like us!

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@bunnybaby Here's an convo we just had yesterday on msn.

Me: Yo lil ms clever you doen your homework?
Her: nope
Her: not yet
Her: u
Me: yh
Me: SHouldnt you be doing it?
Her: yh, but am not really bothered to do it.
Me. oh ok, well dats good.

And she doesnt reply. What do i do? And also there is this rumour that she is going out with this boy, am really not feeling like i stand a chance. And what do you think of what i said in this convo.

Your convo lacks something interesting... Its just normal boring talk about the wether homework whatever...

You need to hook her with something interesting.

Anyway, I suggest that you move on to the next one just in case, you can still game the first you know...

Can you explain how? and can you go into a little bit more detail, like what can i say on msn - I dont mean word for word scripts, just what topics I can talk about or even what to do when she starts showing disinterest. When should I finish the convo, should I talk everyday, should I wait for her to come on or should I just go on a specific time, should I go on everyday?
Moreover, should I talk to her in class? Again can you give me some guidance.
Soz for the number of question. AS you probably guessed I am a newbie - she's like my first target so i would love you advice. I have read some material but really there not much help at my age, as the Game is based around fully grown woman.
If you want more inforamtion on the girl or were we are at , just ask.

Alright, a few things. First I agree with Ezo. Just move on. If you don't move on, at least try to game other girls for A: practice, B: Jealousy, C: Social Proof, D: Confidence... These things might make her come to you.

Second, again involving Ezo, read his thread, maybe he can link to it because I can't remember the name, or which forum. It was something along the lines of "There is no spoon, the game is an illusion..." Basically it's about how you need to use these things as a guide, there is no perfect answer for every situation. You just have to learn the steps and fill in the blanks for yourself.

Also, maybe check out the forum for online pickup, there might be some useful pointers in there.

As I can't leave a post without trying to give some direct advice, here is what I have to say:

Online sarging can be very effective, especially for someone at your level because it lets you take risks with some level of comfort (this comfort zone is not a good play to stay if you want to grow as a PUA but it's a fine place to start in my opinion). Some tactics that work really well are being cocky/funny, false disqualifying, and trying to build time bridges. Here is an example from a recent conversation I had with an ex on facebook chat. I haven't seen this girl in two years, but I started a friendly conversation and suddenly decided to sarge her. This happened after I asked how her BF was, and she said they split up. Here is some of the best parts:

John: Either way, you can still come visit. Since you brag about drinking so much we can have a drink off. As long as you promise to behave yourself after I'm intoxicated.

Stephanie: me?? likkle ol me? yer the one i have to worry about

John: Nah, no worries. Like I said, you're too short. It would never work.

Stephanie: HAH please im pushing five four

John: and my rule is 5'5... Almost.

Stephanie: oh. well i guess that is that then lol

John: Pretty much. But no hard feelings, I'll still drink you under the table and let you borrow a blanket when you pass out.

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John: Holy fuck Stephanie...Look at your picture...

Stephanie: what?

John: It's disgusting. You're wearing a dress..

Stephanie: why is that gross?

John: It's not, you look really cute. It's just funny because no matter how hard I tried I could never get you into a dress...See how nice you look? I was right. But no surprise there.


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Alright, so that might not be the best examples, but I'm not looking through the whole conversation. Those are some examples of being cocky/funny, disqualifying, etc. The moral is the conversation went on like that for awhile, I flipped some emotional switches via memory (both emotional and sexual) based on our past relationship and by the end of the conversation we had made plans for her to come up and visit me soon.

I don't know what to tell you kid, just have fun and try to use some tactics you know and you'll be okay. Still don't be try hard. When it comes to talking to her or not, look at the situation. Remember she has to earn your interest, so if she is being good than you reward her with IOIs. If she says nice things to you and what not you don't ignore her just to ignore her. But if she doesn't answer you and she does things you don't like (that would be her failing a compliance test) then you punish her by ignoring her. That's called a Freeze-out.

That's all I got for you right now. Hope it helps...

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Right... Well, what you do right now is playing safe. You do not express any real opinions and you do not do anything unexpected. Its not working. She will think that you are either a coward (for not daring to get more personal) or boring (that you dont have an inner life).
You need to show her that you can carry your weight in a social situation. Come up with funny stuff to talk about.

For example, instead of saying "done your homework yet?" you could go completely out of the "normal" school situation... "Hey, dont you just hate it when children gets their hands on really dangerous stuff. Like cats! They are fluffy in the parts that the children handle and sharp in the other end, the one they point at you."

This is interesting, what backstory could possibly come from this? Now I just made it up as I type but I am sure you can come up with real stuff to talk about. Like stuff thats get you YOU! emotionally involved. Thats gonna be interesting for other people as well. And its not talking just to talk, you actually communicate.

No, you should not talk to her every chance you get, like go out of your way to do it. If you see her in school, talk to her or say hi at least. Concerning IM, limit that a bit, you dont want her to get the impression that you are home by the computer waiting for her to get online. You have your own life, it is not based on what she does. Realize that you can do whatever you want, she can choose to be either in or out, dont bother either way.

Well, the Game was developed for socially trained adult young women and yes it is difficult with girls who are inexperienced... But The basics are there, be interesting, show high social value... Thats what you are gonna need!

Just believe to your self man... you can do it!

I saw her yesterday, and the thing is her body language screams out she is interested in me, yet she doesnt seem to be invested in the conversation. She does answer my questions and ask me some of her own, but we neve connect properly.
Can anyone answer why she seems to be interested through body language but not through what she says. By showing interest through body language i mean...facing her body towards me, even when talking to other guys(mates i hang around with) and her feet pointing towards me, sitting next to me in class etc.