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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:56 pm 
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As my game has shifted more to natural & direct, I've started studying a lot of natural PUA's for tips. Personally I like David Wygant. Guys raw old school & gives a lot of material away for free.

Others who have been helpful natural game resources i'd suggest...

-Swingcat
-Tim "flawless natural"
-Deangelo
-Lance Mason
-Vin Dicarlo
-Gambler
-Stephen Nash

Swingcat's prizing was probably the most useful of all in reframing my beliefs for natural game.


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:25 pm 
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I am going with Vin Dicarlo.

However, 870/ The Doctor are both close 2nd.


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Well personally I think president obama is a good idol of PUA, especially because of the fact of his lovely wife michelle..WOAH MAN!!!


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russell brand... he's naturally somebody you would want to be inspired by... hilarious guy, plus continually wins the shagger of the year award in britain haha

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DeAngelo.

Tim's program also really helped me out a lot.

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It's hard to say, every natural I meet or watch simply clarifies to me the image of what I should aspire for. One of my greatest inspiration didn't even come from the pua community. I learned a lot from this radio host on 97.1 talk fm, before it went off the radio, his name was Frank Kramer. He taught me how to be brutally open and honest with a comical twist and no apologies.


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Russell Brand isn't a natural..


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Swinggcat advertises natural game, but how the hell is he actually natural? He's hardcore Speed Seduction.

The best natural guru hands down is Zan Perrion. Vin DiCarlo next.


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Swinggcat advertises natural game, but how the hell is he actually natural? He's hardcore Speed Seduction.

The best natural guru hands down is Zan Perrion. Vin DiCarlo next.
I don't know if swingcat is a natural, but his material IMO that I have read is very natural based. The whole "prizing" belief system he details I think is the very key to naturals, as well as the push pull teasing their main tactics in their tool box. I know he started under Ross Jeffieres but I think those are the contributions he is really known for in the community. Deangelo also started under Jefferies BTW. Most PUA's from that era did I think, even Gunwitch who's game is as far from that as you can get now.

If the natural material I have read I think if you combine Swingcats info with RSD Tim's attitude you are well on your way to understanding what naturals are made of.I've not been impressed with any of the material I have seen from Zan. Perhaps you could suggest something that I might be missing. My impression is the guy gets by on his looks as much as anything.


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Craig is one of the best natural PUAs in my opinion.


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Swinggcat advertises natural game, but how the hell is he actually natural? He's hardcore Speed Seduction.

The best natural guru hands down is Zan Perrion. Vin DiCarlo next.
I don't know if swingcat is a natural, but his material IMO that I have read is very natural based. The whole "prizing" belief system he details I think is the very key to naturals, as well as the push pull teasing their main tactics in their tool box. I know he started under Ross Jeffieres but I think those are the contributions he is really known for in the community. Deangelo also started under Jefferies BTW. Most PUA's from that era did I think, even Gunwitch who's game is as far from that as you can get now.

If the natural material I have read I think if you combine Swingcats info with RSD Tim's attitude you are well on your way to understanding what naturals are made of.I've not been impressed with any of the material I have seen from Zan. Perhaps you could suggest something that I might be missing. My impression is the guy gets by on his looks as much as anything.
I know that Swinggcat is credited with tension loops and idea of "being the prize," but I think that's a different animal from how the community sees natural game nowadays. Modeling a natural's behavior isn't the same thing as learning to do natural game. Everyone (no exceptions) teaches some form of behavior modeling, which is precisely what today's natural game trend tries to steer away from.

I found Swinggcat's "Natural Vibing" program to be very heavy with Speed Seduction concepts and techniques. Natural Vibing: http://www.realworldseduction.com/vibing

It's good, but technically speaking I thought it was too formulaic to be considered "natural game" teachings.

Zan's "Way of the Natural" DVD series is fucking great and it's as "natural" as you can get. I highly recommend it: http://www.zanperrion.com/dvds.php

It's more natural because, IMO, it deals more with developing attributes from within rather than modeling behavior in order to "fake it til you make it" as Mystery preaches.


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Tim RSD gets my vote


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Swinggcat advertises natural game, but how the hell is he actually natural? He's hardcore Speed Seduction.

The best natural guru hands down is Zan Perrion. Vin DiCarlo next.
I suggest Cory Skyy/ Brent Smith/ David Wygant. ALL OF THE OTHERS ARE WAY TOO CONFUSING AND MOST USE too many techniques such as stoytelling, and using certain openers. They also make a giant difference between night game and day game. When women are women, if they don't like you in the club, they wont like you in the streets.

Vin Dicarlo also teaches that you have to talk most of the time. Thats bullshit, and anyone whom teaches this is wrong. Let the women do the talking, they are the ones that wanna talk. They don't wanna hear about you. And if you are talking more than the girl, its weird. It's not a good thing.


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Mystery. His method is natural to him and he came up with his own material.
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