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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:48 am 
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There are three kinds of love according to sexual psychology (Yes, I took a class):

Companionship

Puppy Dog/Sweet Love

Passionate Love

I'm sure someone more well informed can lay out the proper name for these, but I'm not in the mood to google it.

Now the collection of all three types of love combined into love is called Agape, and this is more or less where you would find the PERFECT mate.

The bottom line is that if you had AGAPE then you wouldn't even contemplate pickup. It sounds like your brand of love falls short of agape, and is one of the above types of love or a combination of any two. Obviously you see pickup as the chance to game girls that would fit in the Agape category of love.

Also, you're 17 man. I can't remember how many times I told myself and other people I was in love when I was your age, but looking back on it now, several years later, I realize that there is actually wisdom in age. You'll see.
Psychology major here.

It sounds like you're referring to Sternberg's triangular theory of love . The 3 points of the triangle are Intimacy, Commitment, and Passion.

You're getting "Companionship" from the imperfect balance of combining only Intimacy and Commitment. That's Companionate Love. You get Romantic Love from combining Intimacy and Passion, and you get Fatuous Love from combining Passion and Commitment.

The thing you call "agape" is, from how I learned it, called Consummate Love. That's the perfect combination of all 3 elements.

However, I don't look toward already existing psychological theories when it comes to love, despite me being a psychology major. I still think that Sternberg's theory, although comprehensive, lacks the depth necessary to do justice in properly explaining love. I think eastern philosophy has the real answers there.


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Many of us have been down this "Love" route before bone.

But before we continue this thread...

I propose a question to you Bone, if you love her, why do you feel the need to sign it on a piece of paper?

Love is love, that is exactly what it is, and you can still share that love without having to a sign a piece of paper, in which I believe, is the last legal form of slavery. If you want my opinion on why you're doing it, it's because you are trying to prove to yourself and her, that you do love her. Because deep down inside your gut, you know this is the wrong choice.

The only logical reason, and yes you're a boy, so you function on logic, that you would even think about posting something like this about a woman you "love" on a PUA forum, is because you are scared shitless of spending the rest of your life with 1 person.

Think it through, do the right thing, and answer my question.

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I came to the form because its where i get my advice when it comes to life and relationships. And to answer your question it started as an attempt on my part to give her every happiness i could, she was the first to put the idea of marriage into play. And really there are no solid reasons why people should get married because just about every reason has a negative side to it. I want to marry her to i have someone, her in particular, that will always be there for me, no matter what happens, i don't want to experience life alone in some parts and i don't believe a mere relationship can ever be as strong as a marriage and having someone to come home to every night. Another reason is i've always wanted to start a family very early, and she feels the same and there's no way i would have a child with some1 i'm not married to. Now im not planning to start having kids now but after college would be ideal.


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Seems like this has turned into a war about love but to topic

Dude i'm not old and wise like the others but i know theres no love at this age, well some do marry there highschool sweetheart so theres not actuall 0%. Anyway this age as most older people tell me is for experience, in dating, kissing, and relationships. Likle chief said i doubt its love just a fear of losing what you have.
"Fear is the path to the darkside"
"Without pain without sacrifice we would have nothing"
Cliche quotes yes, but the fact remains that they serve a purpose. If you want to, no, if you know truly in your heart of hearts free without doubt, fear, and knowing what each emotion is continue, but i doubt this is the case when you don't know what true love is.

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Don't do it....marry her that is. You're going to regret it--after all, you're only 17. She's going to become nothing more than a rock attached to your waste, slowing you down, in a matter of years.

I love the music and art that myself and others create, does that count?

I, however, have shit-bad emotional response to others, thus making it virtually impossible to love another human being.


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Chief, your post is very interesting (Sternberg)... Would you mind explaining it further or maybe tell me/us where to read more about it (Im sure it is a lot of info and a pain to write but I am equally sure that it would be appreciated).

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So you dont want to experience life alone, you want someone to come home too every night, and you want to start a family after college.

Here is what PUA offers: You get many women emotionally open to you, and you will not walk through life alone.

You can have women, knocking on your door ready to fuck.

You can find a smart, beautiful girl at college, knock her the fuck up and pop a baby out and get married to her.

Your too young to sign a piece of paper that gives a girl half of everything you will ever own in order to get out of.

Just my opinion, and I've been through the "I'm 17, I dated a girl for 2 years, I love her and one day we'll get married" route.

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I came to the form because its where i get my advice when it comes to life and relationships. And to answer your question it started as an attempt on my part to give her every happiness i could, she was the first to put the idea of marriage into play. And really there are no solid reasons why people should get married because just about every reason has a negative side to it. I want to marry her to i have someone, her in particular, that will always be there for me, no matter what happens, i don't want to experience life alone in some parts and i don't believe a mere relationship can ever be as strong as a marriage and having someone to come home to every night. Another reason is i've always wanted to start a family very early, and she feels the same and there's no way i would have a child with some1 i'm not married to. Now im not planning to start having kids now but after college would be ideal.

this is all proof that its not love, but fear.

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When most people present an argument, they back it up with an explanation of why they think it's correct. I could be like 'the sun isn't hot' and it would be just like the statement you made because it makes no sense until an explanation is given. I apprecaite advice when it is backed up with reason. If what i said is fear, then what would someone who's truly in love respond to that question?

I'm not scared that im going to lose her. I know she loves me and would never do anything to hurt me and she knows i love her. I don't fear losing her because i know that just isnt going to happen, she's made it clear and i believe her when she tells me that she isnt going anywhere ever. Is it so hard to believe that maybe we are a little more mature than the stereotyped teenager you seem to have imprinted in your mind. What if i were to say we were 27? I doubt you would have even brought up the fear of losing her gambit.


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I call shit as I see it and as I remember (Can't be assed to check), in your first post you started chatting about being worried you are missing out and to be fair to say that to strangers (which you can be honest with, as they will never meet you) I believe you are worried this si a bad choice. Cold feet maybe, a healthy start to a life time comitment I doubt it. Its your call dude I would just say know what it entails and be sure she is the best you can get before you even think about it.

Again can't be fucked to check but if this is some religious thing all I can say is you were probably fed religion why be fed commitment?

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It's not love if you can't let go.

Imagine holding a butterfly in your hands. You have your hands clasped shut. And, deep down inside, you actually feel guilty for doing this. It actually makes you feel worthless in a way. And so, in hopes of feeling something good, you tighten your grip so that the joy that you hold in your hands does not escape you. And the cycle continues. Sometimes you consider the option of grasping onto something else to fill that void because this really doesn't seem to be working. But you'd rather have something in your hands than nothing, so you won't even choose to let go in order to make your hands available for the next catch.

And then there is the true lover who always has his palms open.

You'll get this one day, hopefully.


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You're 17 and college bound that explains everything.
You have what I like to call the "please don't leave me for somemone else when you go off to college" syndrome which made you put a ring on her finger without thinking of future consequences.
Not saying marriage is a bad thing but you need to seriously weigh your pro and cons.

I have buddy who let his girlfriend move in with him now he's now regretting that decision.

So i'm telling you don't live the rest of your life with regrets

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So...if you REALLY don't want to game other girls...then why are you on a pickup artistry forum looking for committed relationship advice? I'm sure there are forums for that.

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Is it so hard to believe that maybe we are a little more mature than the stereotyped teenager you seem to have imprinted in your mind.

And that statement ultimately proves you ARE a stereotypical teenager.

All teenagers think they're different, and that their circumstances are different, but they aren't.


Hell, I'm still 18, and I know that.


and once again, your first post, as well as your continued responses proves you arne't in love with her because 1. you wanted to know if you were missing out by marrying and 2. you're now trying to PROVE you love her to us (and to yourself) so that you can feel better about your situation.

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