We'll I'll need to brief you guys in on the situation so you can evaluate a little better, Ill try to keep it short.


I met this japanese girl who's foreign to America. Not only is she older than me, but she's came to America like 3 years ago. Many things don't seem to work on her such as sarcasm because of the difference in language even though she speaks it. Anyhow she's in one of my class and one of the other guy's in a weird way approached her. I watched him and I knew I had nothing to worry about. Anyhow Recently, I blew him out completely and she's in fact weirded out by him. As soon as class ends he used to try to go talk to her and walk her home, and such and I ignored it. Now as soon as class ends she runs up to me to "protect" her from him. I tease the hell out of her and we actually have built rapport and comfort. (at least I believe so) I texted her one day and that texted turned into a week long non stop textathon between me and her. (IOI)

Anyhow lately, that kid who is socially slow doesn't know when he's not wanted around. So she wants me to protect her. I wanted to kiss close her the other day but I felt the AFC anxiety hit me the very last second and I pointed to my cheek and she didn't understand.

What would you guys think of the whole "gift kiss close" on her? What this would involve me doing is getting rid of her problem of the weird guy and get me my kiss close. Ill tell her I have a gift for her to help her with her stalker problem. And Ill tell her to close her eyes and go in for the kiss, while the guy will be sure to see me and her lip locking. What do you guys think? I'll going to probably do it anyway but I wanted to get some opinions. Thanks!

When it comes to girls that you have a connection with I like to use this type of strategy.

You have to kino escalate... Or rather kiss escalate... You start by being closer to each others faces, get her used to the proximity, look into her eyes. Then smile and look away, knowingly, pretend it never happened. Repeat a few times, get her used to you almost kissing her, you dont do it out of choice, you could have kissed her at any time but you choose not to. Then you go for the kiss. This is sexual tension.

I have kiss closed before with the advice you have given me. I went field testing before and I know what it takes to kiss close, but for some reason, this one just made me nervous.

I noticed this combo is KILLER for kiss close.
Proximity+Sexual/bedroom eye contact and built up kino.

I have escalated kino on this girl. I started off with a light touch on the shoulder, then my arms around her and whispering in her ears. I even went as far as around her waist. She did not pull back what so ever. The thing is why am I so nervous to kiss close? I've done it in the clubs with girls with no problem.

I probably didn't build proximity this time. I mean in a dance club, your right on top of each other practically locked in eye contact. (If she's not giving me eye contact, I will tilt her head and hint her in to keep her eyes on me)

Anyhow If I kiss close, I don't want it to be just because of this weird guy. I dont want her to associate me kissing her because this weird guy wont leave her alone. He doesn't get the message but a Kiss close would make him leave her alone.

What about this guys.

I'll tell her I have a gift for her, build proximity ask her to open her hands up and then to close her eyes. Before she closes her eyes Ill keep very sexual eye contact. Grab her hands and go in for the kiss while the weird stalker guy can see it happening.

When Im done, Ill tell her "that was for you, This... is for me :]"

And go in agian. ;]

It sounds like it would work for me though. I'm a little new to the whole pick up thing but so far it's been great. The class in which this chick and I share, I've built the leader of the pack mentality. Everyone seemed to have moved their seats from another area of the room and they all sit around me with me being in the middle. I think things like that definitely help. I'm still new to this but any more opinions would be great!

You already gt her confidance & are allowed to do KINO. Use the trust test as seen on the show "The Pick Up Artist" - It works. Or simply just get close & politely ask if you can kiss her. You can also just do it when you feel the tension is low & she has that "in love look" they get when their eyes get wide & they have a big grin (you'll know it when you see it).

I'm not going to "ask her politely"

That's not my style.

I used some sexual tension raising as Ezo mentioned.

I switched myself into 3rd person perspective while maintaining a confident and playful tone. It got her to open up to me and admit things about ME to me, as I "pretended" to be a different person! Haha it was quite funny.

I shit tested her and she failed! haha

I got her to admit she likes me nonverbally ;]

Obviously you have built rapport with this girl and you have social proof. You could consider the fact that she comes to you to protect her from this other guy a level of investment in you, which is good as well. If you have the IOIs you know what that means, time to escalate.

Now the thing is you want the guy to see it, but like you said you don't want her to associate you kissing her with this guy and doing it just to keep him away. You want her to know you want to kiss her. I liked the idea of telling her you were going to give her something, and then saying that was for you, this is for me, and doing it again. That was clever, a little cocky funny, and you maintain control of the situation.

I think the truth is that you know what you are doing, and you are on the right track. You know how to kiss close, it's just a matter of going for it as this point. I would warn, however, that it sounds like you could be close to the LJBF position, so you might want to make your move soon.

Just a quick idea, maybe you could use her being Japanese as a way to get to the kiss close. Just like the traditional "Are you a good kisser?" You could ask if, as a general rule, Japanese girls are good kissers, or if they have any special methods they use that you won't find in America. Get her talking about it, and use it a screening test. Ask what makes her a better kisser than other girls, do a false takeaway, then let her continue to try to DHV by responding to your screening question. Just a thought, but it could work.

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I think your right. An update, The guy waited for her at the door standing in a very creepish way. He sorta reminds me of the guy at virginia tech. No joke. It's a bit scary. Anyhow I walked out with her and he didn't say anything. He tailed right behind us but he passed us and that entire routine fell out the door. I didn't have a back up plan. She was going to a bbq with her friend and she even asked me to tag along. I politely refused. Also, I got a bit nervous and I didn't go for a kiss close this time. When the guy left off, I knew that routine went out the door. The only problem with me kiss closing is that the environment isn't right.

I know there aren't supposed to be any excuses, but when you walk and talk it's kinda hard to just kiss close like that. Expecially in NYC where the streets are crowded and stopping in the middle of the road sucks! She had to meet up with her friend so I couldnt isolate her to a stage where we can sit down. I don't feel comfortable kiss closing in public streets while people are rushing by in NYC. Maybe I should try a more deep isolation to like a park bench somewhere?

Also an update from a few day's ago. When I played the whole 3rd person game with her. I got her to admit she likes me non verbally. Also She asked me "So did "he" say anything about me


(She was refering to me but I was pretending to be someone else.)

Being the tease that I am I said "Oh you'll have to find out yourself! After all I made a pinky promise "

I told her to ask me in person. In which she never mustered the confidence to ask. :[ (I tried to set up a kiss close with that too. Had she asked I woulda kissed her but she didn't)


I think that was a solid IOI. Right before I left she kinda started to say something but then stopped.

I think she tried to ask that day but sorta stopped herself. What do you think?

I also think If I don't act FAST it will go downhill into the friend zone. I just think were a bit nervous around each other. Especially her she's the shy type.

I think Ill need to move in and not wait for her. Jeez women, you can't count on them!

This might be a little obvious but it seems like she wants to hang out with you. I maybe would have gone with her to the bbq, and then gamed the guys and people there (not to pick them up, but to raise your social value). She wants to hang out with you, she wanted to show you to her friends for their. That's a BIG IOI if you ask me.

I would say to ask her on a date.
At the end of the date, you'll probably get your kiss.

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"As to the deceit perpetrated upon women, let it pass, for, when love is in the way, men and women as a general rule dupe each other."
-Giacomo Casanova

No! Dont ask her out!

Make sure you will do something together that is not seen as a date! Go shopping, paragliding, sorting shoelaces, charity work, whetever... Not a real date with you two sitting all tensed thinking about how to act and what to say. Those things create more pressure and go worse than anything else...

I know not to ask her out on a date. I ALWAYS mention "hang out" when I talk to her. I never said the word date.

The only time I used it was as a tease when she let me know this guy wanted to ask her to go to a restaurant. I responded with a teasing non clingy response.

"Awww how cute! A date! you should go!! "

I invited her to come out for pizza yesterday but I texted her like right before I was about to leave, so i kinda knew she might have had plans.
That text was sort of a test though.

She said she was working on her paper and that she was sorry she couldnt go. She seemed like she wanted to go though for sure.

She sent me a message asking about a casual question in which she never replied back. I sorta got the feeling as if I pushed her too hard. So the pizza thing was to lure her back in and sorta guage if there was any type of tension.

I came up with a kiss routine myself yesterday. It builds rapport right before it goes in for the kiss. (I think it would at least I haven't tested it yet) I think it will be a pretty awesome routine but we will see. I though it was pretty clever. Ill let you guys know how it goes.

Also do you think it's right to tease a girl with pulling back on a kiss close after it's done? After the so called "sexual tension is done"?

Do you think you can sorta give her a slight taste, and then use it to build more sexual tension and get her to escalate more? Wanting more and never getting it?

I remember when I made out with this one chick, I wanted more but she was a huge flirt and I didn't get any. What do you think?

I normally use this one nowadays:

Im gonna go for a drink tonight, you are welcome to come along if you feel like it.

I'm not old enough to drink/ go to the bars. Im turning 20 in a month.

I asked her to come out to Soho friday. (I actually asked without thinking because she told me she had work on fridays.)

She asked me what time. She has class in the morning and work a few hours later. So I didn't bother with it.

I think I should try once more after finals are over. This week everyone is rushing to finish their papers and next week is finals week. Maybe I would have better luck afterwards. Or maybe I should try to salvage the friday hangout? I get the feeling she still wanted to somewhat hangout but I told her not to bother, Now a bit unsure.

I still couldn't get the kiss close

Thursday is the last day of class. It's either that or ill have to do it when we "hangout"