Sounds like a good plan. Get a basic digital camera that you can just take snapshots with. Something like the Cybershot. You are going to have to carry it around with you all night as you do stuff, it's easier if you can just slide it in your pocket.

The photo opener is just walking up to a set and basically asking them to take a picture of you and your friend. Then while they are helping you, then you can neg them, and work them. Eventually you get a photo with them in it by simply suggesting it.

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Alright, I'll confess I'm horrible with online game.

So what I want to know is what are the differences between online and real-life game?

I guess that would depend on what you do for your game when you are in person with women. What process do you follow, what kinds of patterns or things do you use when you are in front of women.

For the most part it is no different being online that in person. Obviously there is no face to face interaction, and you have to use a keyboard to talk to them. Because you they can not see you, and your body language you have to think hard about using things like negs. Because of the barrier of them not being able to see "how" you deliver the neg it could be easily taken the wrong way and sometimes is.

For the most part here are the similarities. You are going to open, build attraction, build rapport and comfort, escalate her comfort levels, lead the interaction, and get her to a date.

There really are few differences in the two types of game actually. This is why most online guru's recommend you continue going out and meeting people the traditional way so that you can continue to be calibrate to women and what types of responses you should use.

Remember your main goal from online is just to get through the leves of contact to get to a date. You start with an email message or a messaging system on a dating or networking website. From there you gain enough comfort and trust, and even some attraction to get her number. Just like you would in field but over email. Or some people go for the Instant Messaging address as a smaller step up but I go straight for phone number now.

Anyways, from talking on the phone a good half hour to and hour I have enough comfort and rapport built to easily get a date and in many times on the phone I can start going sexual after I have enough comfort to work towards a single night lay. In many cases it's a given that when we meet it's on!

So there isn't much difference at all. You can do pretty much everything online that you can in person. I would recommend going for a phone number if you are pretty good on the phone and can talk and build comfort over the phone. If not then use Instant Messaging. Setup your date after a good time period talking online, then get her phone number just in case you need to confirm something.

That should get you a pretty good idea. Of course this response leans more towards the process of online game which is what I figured you wanted. Of course there is building a profile and things of that nature which is somewhat of a side note. Most of that stuff is covered in previous posts on this thread.

Hope it helps,

Jon

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Hey Jsmooth,
I need help with my online game, namely my conversation never goes anywhere exciting, and i know thats what keeps a girls attention, ive had plenty of chances at getting hb's and blew it cause of lame afc conversation. I know its general, but any pointers???

Smooooth,

It would help to have examples of conversations that you think are AFC or lame so that I can see what is happening in the interactions. Without a specific example to use there are a few general guidelines I can give you.

Remember it is your job to lead the interaction. If the conversation goes AFC or lame it's because you allowed it to go there. If you feel the topic is getting stale or going the wrong way then switch topics immediately.

Some of the conversation is going to seem AFC by some people's definition. This is mostly because there is a certain amount of normal conversation that takes place. You have to relate certain things about your personality and things about you. If you go on completely unrelated conversations it's going to get a little strange.

The way I do online is basically comfort building conversation with DHV attraction spikes peppered into what I'm feeding her about me. This way I can build rapport and attract her at the same time. Some people would call my conversations back and forth AFC but as long as I'm getting the results I don't care to omuch about what is being said.

Anyways, if you feel comfortable post a specific example of what you are talking about for us to look at. Or you can always send it to me in private message if you prefer I can can assist you that way.

Jon

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Hey dude, thanks for the reply,
i spose i just run out of interesting things to talk about, and im not sure how to build comfort into the conversation and put some DHV attraction spikes in. Could u give me some examples?

Also, if i were to start emailing a girl via facebook/myspace for the first time and there on my friends list, what would be a good opening thing to say and start the conversation ball rolling?

Tried to open one HB I met couple days ago. We walked in group, I changed couple words with her and made her laugh.

I saw her profile at one gallery (a lot like facebook).

Saw a picture of Las Vegas and text under it: "To las vegas with girl_x 2014/2015"

THIS IS TRANSLATED TEXT, DOESNT MATCH 100%

Opened her...

ME: "What an accident, I own a five star hotelchain and one of my hotels lies in Vegas. Contact me if you are interested about free accommodation ;9"

SHE: "::D"

ME: "Damn kites, dunno even how to thank "

SHE: "Well what "

SHE: ":D"

ME: "Contact me if you are interested about FREE accommodation ;9" <-- Like that *wink*

SHE: "YEA "


She answers so short and doesnt show any interest that Im about to give up. How do I create attraction online? (cant see her, lives in different town)

After that I asked her about one of her pictures like this:

ME: "Gotta ask, is brown the true color of your hair?"

Now waiting for the answer...

Thanks you

Smooooth,

Here are some links to my blog. I would rewrite them but after doing that several times it gets a little tiring to do.

How to build a connection and true comfort building... http://jsmooth26.blogspot.com/2009/02/b ... rt_25.html

Inserting attraction spikes (toward the bottom) and there are examples included on the post. http://jsmooth26.blogspot.com/2009/02/a ... -long.html
I don't do a lot for networking websites personally. I would research Whoopie's Facebook Poke opener or Action Jackson's Matchbook Method for MySpace. These are they two best I know of for getting girls on networking websites.

In my opinion I just use dating websites because I know for fact the girls on there are interested in meeting someone. It's not as completely cold of an approach. Striking a conversation with someone you barely know or don't know from a networking site like this is one of the coldest approaches there is. Both are discussed on this forum.

Hope that helps you get started.

Jon

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Waewae,

You said to her, "What an accident, I own a five star hotelchain and one of my hotels lies in Vegas. Contact me if you are interested about free accommodation ;9." and that is our opener. And the purpose of any opener is to start a conversation and to get a response online, I am sure you agree.

Now that we have her talking we need to move away from this. This opener doesn't give her a lot to respond with. She's not going to say, "Wow, that's great. BTW, I like long walks on the beach, candlelight dinner, and you're cute." It just won't happen that way unfortunately. So after an opener like this you need to immediately transition into something interesting that you two can build from, and she can actually respond to. That is why when you sent it basically a second time not much happened.

Then of course you send basically another opener asking about her hair color. Her answers can be pretty much, "Yes, No, Or...actually it's red." Those are basically going to be her answers. We want something that is going to elicit more conversation than this if at all possible. You could say something like, "To qualify for our free accomodations I have some information we need to know first. Okay seriously....that was fun. I'm curious about you though. What was it like growing up for you?" < this is just an example.

That way she has more she can respond with besides a yes or no answer and you two can actually have a conversation which you can start working towards a relationship.

Jon

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Okay gonna continue what happened:

ME: "What an accident, I own a five star hotelchain and one of my hotels lies in Vegas. Contact me if you are interested about free accommodation ;9"

SHE: "::D"

ME: "Damn kites, dunno even how to thank "

SHE: "Well what "

SHE: ":D"

ME: "Contact me if you are interested about FREE accommodation ;9" <-- Like that *wink*

SHE: "YEA "

ME: "Gotta ask, is brown the true color of your hair?"

SHE: "Hell no ::D"

later....

ME: "To qualify for our free accomodations I have some information we need to know first. Okay seriously....that was fun. I'm curious about you though. What was it like growing in a big town?" (she lives in very small town) I modified that a bit but translation is a lot like this

SHE: "Biiig town ::::DDDdddddd absolutely awesome!"

ME: "You have good views there from "view towers" and skycrapers?

SHE: "What shit? ::D"

ME: "joking, where is your sense of humor and imagination?! "

SHE: "I dont know ;E "

ME: "Huh-"

SHE: "What ::D"

I saw that some girl said to her there "You didnt warm to his jokes? ", she answered to her something like "yeaaaa, i didnt ::D"

I feel like dumb and not gonna say anything to her, its her loss that she didnt understand.

Please rate and comment =)

PS. found out that she never have had a bf.

errr, nvm

Hey man,

What I gave you to further the conversation was just an example. I did not intend for you to use it exactly. The girl was not warm to your advances. I don't think she understand what you were trying to say to her. I think you need to work on your opening and transitioning both in field and online.

Oh well, don't take it personally. Some women just are that way.

Jon

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Hey Jav,

If you don't want to post the question here on this thread you can always Private Message me.

Jon

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JSmooth,

I was reading through some of your stuff and have come to realize that you are a big fan of direct openers. My opener I used last night was not direct, but I still figured you may have some advice. I got a response from a HB8 who responds "very selectively" so hopefully I can build this. Here's the opener and her response:

Subject: Pictures
Me: Uh oh, you know what they say about girls who love taking pictures of themselves?
Her: No what do they say? lol

Any advice or suggestions for a response?

Thanks in advance.

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Linwood,

I am not really sure what to tell you at this point. What do you want to say? This is wide open and can be taken anywhere.

This is why talk a lot about 'preperation' before you go out and sarge, to before you open a women up online in conversation. You need to have a general gameplan and an idea of what you want to accomplish. You asking me this is like asking me what type of relationship you should be with in her.

What are you goals? Do you want a friend? Girlfriend? Dating? Friends with Benefits? Single Night Lay? Etc. The reason I ask is because how you are going to start responding in the next few messages is going to be a little different for each of these types.

I am more than happy to help you but I need to know what direction you are flowing. When in doubt just respond with something is always better than waiting and saying nothing. You can easily loose your rythm of responses back and forth in online game, it's easy for her to loose interest too. Don't be afraid to fail by trying stuff out.

Jon

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