Hey Guys,

I've been gaming for 7 months now, and because I approach the exactly same girl for 6 months, I've lost everything. I lost the skill to hold a decent conversation with strangers and new girls. I don't have much problem on opening because since the start I always observational. I can open but I don't know how to hold a decent, interesting conversation with somebody new. I need to build my old skill all over again and I promise I will try. But I need a set of guidelines what to say and what not to say.

1) How do you guys define an interesting conversation? Honestly, from the start of the game, I never really know what is interesting to people. Can you give me the example of topics, and how it should be going??
2) A natural friend of mine told me about how to not be LJBF-ed "Don't ask friend questions and they will not put you on the friend zone". I'm still getting more information out from him, but if I can get more help in this forum, it'd be really great. . Can you guys help me on giving me examples of "friend questions"?

Any opinion,please share it here

Best pal,
Steven

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there is nothing you can think of to prepare yourself to have a conversation with a stranger, much less a woman... come on man, think... every conversation you have with anyone ever (unless you're an actor in a dialogue with a costar) has no script, no right words, or phrases nothing like that....

your friend, is kinda right... and kinda wrong...

there is no such thing as "friend questions" just, questions, and sexual questions... if you just ask stupid shit like

"where you from"
"what do you do"
"whats your major"

you're going to be asking the same fuckin question every other dude has asked the same chick, over and over and over... and you're going to be just like every dude who has asked that... NOT getting laid

Don't get it twisted, ever... chicks are sexual, VERY sexual... I like to think more so than men because they have an organ devoted to sex only, the clitoris

** EVERY CHICK no matter what you may think otherwise, no matter what they project to the world at any given point.... deeply embedded in their subconscious JUST WANTS TO GET BENT OVER. **

It takes a man, not a pussy to tap into that subconscious and release that sexual tigress, and that right there... is what makes you a winner and not a chode... If you go into every interaction with your mindset focused on

they just want to get bent over
they just want to get bent over
they just want to get bent over
they just want to get bent over
they just want to get bent over

It will be so much easier to make conversation with them, and not just conversation, but promiscuous conversation... the kind of conversation that gets them wet, and hot...

Also...

Chicks live off their emotions, Men... DON'T

To engage in convo with a chick, and to keep her really interested, you need to be getting her emotionally aroused... Here's a REALLY good technique to use when asking questions to a chick....

Ask them, as if their are being interviewed for a position... in your bedroom, BENT OVER....

"What turns you on about Males?"
"What is your favorite guilt-food?"
"What kinda music do you just love to listen to to make you feel AWESOME?"
"What is the most satisfying SMELL you've ever experienced?"

Do you see what I'm saying?? Chicks are EMOTIONALLY DRIVEN, so anchor your questions with regards to their Sensory Perception (How they See, Feel, Hear, Feel, and Taste this world.) because ultimately it's not which works better for her... it's WHY it works better....

"I prefer satin to cotton sheets gliding across my skin"
"I prefer a strong, firm, funny guy.... *swoooons*"
"I LOOOOVEE walking in to coffee shops bc they smell amazing!!! "


-> get women driven on questions that will appeal HIGHLY to their senses, as that is what they remember through incredible experiences.
-> continue being observational, then instead of pointing out something obvious, point it out and add ABSTRACT thoughts to it... your creativity in the matter MELTS women.
-> Avoid everyday routine questions...... for obv reasons
-> Take control of the conversation, show your dominance.... and guide her comfort levels with you as you escalate into more risque type topics.


MOST IMPORTANTLY, if you are having issues maintaining conversation inertia... just focus on her responses, and when I say focus... I don't mean nod your head and say yea.. cool.... Really ENGAGE in the interaction, Give 100% attention to the words, the sounds, the expressions and the emotions that come out of her mouth, then you'll get it... you'll see her behaviorisms change with the range of emotions from happy, to sad, to angry, to turned on, to excited, and so on and so forth... It is called Active Listening, if you have the discipline to tune out and ignore every other stimulus in the environment and focus on her eyes, while listening to her tongue.... omg dude you will be ON POINT.


much love
Clz

Its what you talk about, and if infact your flirting or just talking nonsense. Say if you talk about TV, news, weather, music, fashion, shopping etc. Its just a way your saying hey lets be best friends cause this is all there is between us to talk about is TV or w/e.

A dude did this with a group of girls(I use this example over and over), was talking out loud like he was a video game guru, about how his team is this and his record is thi....You can guess what happened, Girls all classified him as a friend, never flirted with him anymore, EVEN WHEN he implemented good game theyd totally fire on him because they knew it was a front to what he really was. Imagine if you through out a good line you know works and the chick just laughs at you and disregards it every time....exactly what happened to him.

Now theres nothing wrong with mentioning the shit listed above but DO NOT brag or make it like thats all you do in your free time.

There's a party coming tomorrow. Let me put your advice into the field and see what happens. I'll try to be brave and keep you updated about my progress. Thanks you so much, mate!!

And I would still love to hear your opinion about this, guys!! More advice coming!!

Best pal,
Steven

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"Live every moment of your life as it is the best"

"Grief is the price we pay for love"

Thanks for the great advice, CrazyLegs.

It's really great advice and never since I start leaning about the game, I got an advice as detailed as yours. And I'm not bullshitting. Now let me ask u this question. I've tried these kinds of questions often in the field. But, please analyze what happened to one of the girls:

So I managed to chat with this HB, we hung out, we kino-ed each other, but still no kiss or further than that. (Apparently she's a really good girl, so I expect things would be a lot harder than usual.)

Then we managed to chat via text (she's still in the middle of exam period, so I just text her to keep in touch)

Me: I don't know why, but lately I just love to touch people with my piano playing. I just love to see how they cry because of my playing. I'm not gonna satisfied until I make you cry. It's kind of my secret hobby. So, what's your secret hobby??

HB: Haha... If you want to make me burst into tears, you have to create the perfect moment. Try if you can make me cry. Why do you like asks these kinds of weird questions??? Something that makes me think before answering. Well, I love to compose songs, but none of them are finished yet.

I just ignored her "weird questions" statement and continued the conversation.

1) So, what do you guys think about the "weird questions" statement?? Is it a congruence/ shit test?? If it is, how should I answer?? Should I just answer, "It's my style, and I love it"??

2) Is it not allowed to fluff talk with the girl??

PS: AFC Adam have told me that we should only go for the "bigger questions" after we got some investment from the girl.

Any advice, please share it here.

Best pal,
Steven

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"Live every moment of your life as it is the best"

"Grief is the price we pay for love"

Hey guys,

It might seems arrogant, but as I always told you, I try to be not arrogant, so apologizes for arrogant words.

Tonight, I had a great night, perhaps one of the best nights I've ever had. I learned a lot about conversations, group dynamics, everything. I'm not into one night stands, not even sex before marriage (WTF???!!!), so I just number closed all of them. It's really great to have advices from you guys. Especially with this HB 8.5, IDK but everything was just so easy with advices from you guys.

But still, I'm still curious with the "weird questions" statement. If anybody could point it out for me, it'd be really nice!!

Thanks guys, love you all

Best pal,
Steven

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"Live every moment of your life as it is the best"

"Grief is the price we pay for love"

you're thinking too much.... you think too much in general, I can already tell....

pick up is not about thinking, well.... it might be, but not the pickup I'm concerned with, which is the REAL pick up... the NATURAL style of pickup, where no thinking is involved, just doing anything and everything on a whim out of complete spontaneity

the reason we naturals just do things instead of thinking prior to doing, is to show our:

-Creativity; spur of the moment actions... abstract ideas and communication

-Confidence; just doing & not thinking about what could happen because tomorrow is never guaranteed and nothing is worth regretting

-Presence: Being absolutely completely comfortable with who you are where you are in your world, being in the NOW since NOW is where every bit of information you'll ever receive happens... Future information is presumptions, Past information is irrelevant because it has come, and it has gone... you will only ever live in the present moment, so why get caught up in the past? and why live in the future were there is nothing but uncertainty... Living NOW, allows your head to be clear of future worries and past regrettable occurances... and believe it or not, living in the NOW will significantly improve your communication skills because like I said, there's no thinking involved... you're just saying the first thing that comes out of your mouth... chicks DIG THAT

-Dominance: see confidence... your frame no matter where you go and what your doing should be the COCK in the HEN HOUSE, this means no asking permission for ANYTHING... and no apologizing for ANYTHING; unless it's really fucked up to the point of permanent damage.

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Am I saying don't think at all? Hell. No.

Thinking is the greatest thing a man can do, it pains me deeply to see people take education for granted...

Did you know, that the minds of today's human beings had the same mental capacity and abilities as those of the ancient romans? Yet there were no cars, trains, skyscrapers, computers, televisions and other modern-day amenities that we have today.... Why is that?

Well, the answer is in another underlying question... Which is the most universal human characteristic..? Fear, or Lazyness?

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There is a time and place to think, but when a chick has positive body language and her eyes are plastered into yours with awe and excitement... just let the magic take over, and go wild.... no need to analyze your next move; this is not chess... this is attraction.

As for the weird questions deal.... It was a shit test I guess; not really a good one since she followed it up with "Something that makes me think before answering..." since that implies that your questions are different than the other 99% of questions males give her, that don't require thinking --> that's REALLY good for you

I would have followed up with something along the lines of;
"Weird questions? I'm just checkin to make sure you got something going on upstairs... I wasn't sure there for a minute but then you actually answered the weird questions haha!! *move in to her ear and whisper* so whats that say about YOU weirdo?" then follow with a little tickle grab to the love handle


yeaaa... that'd work for me at least... best of luck

much love
CLz

Haha... Thanks CLz, it's really nice to have advices from you.

Presence: Yeah, I think it what makes me succeed last night. I think that I can go for the kiss if I just pushed further and isolate, but because of some rules that I won't break, I got bored and quit. Sounds like an AA or SA?? Maybe.

Well, I'm still looking forward what I can do with the girl who shit tested me, kinda like her personality. I'll keep you guys updated.

Best pal,
Steven

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"Live every moment of your life as it is the best"

"Grief is the price we pay for love"