Hi all
Just wanted to come take a look as I'm reading 'The Game' and really enjoying it/finding it fascinating (recommended reading by a PUA I know who now says he wishes he hadn't told me to read it...truthfully I am not shocked by it at all and some of it seems fairly obvious to me!).

I'm a girl (sharp intakes of breath!), and I was reading the stuff about Online Sarging on here. I posted this response about it below and Ming the Merciless on here suggested I post this on the 'Introduce Yourself' forum...so here it is, you can read it, use it, bin it, neg it..whatever, just some feedback from my experiences for your enjoyment or reference:

I'm on Myspace and facebook blah blah blah...one thing I would suggest, if I may, is don't just send friend requests with no messages. Any girl on myspace who isn't hideous (and am sure they get it too!) gets loads of them and basically now I personally can't be bothered to reply to anyone who can't be arsed to write me a message...doesn't have to be long, but just write and say hi or neg or whatever...but say something! Sounding like you actually read a bit of her profile is good, makes it sound like you didn't just look at her pic, think 'wow' and not bother to read about her at all. So maybee a comment about something she said she likes or a joke about something she's mentioned is good (well i can only speak for things I may respond to).

And top tip...don't use fake pics! I have had that a couple of times and am not that stupid, I can spot a fake model pic a mile away and it's obvious that these guys are not models! Personally i don't go for that 'perfect' look anyway, too fake...but then, a nice smile in a pic goes a long way...really, the mean, moody look just doesn't do it for many girls, there's a time and a place for that look and a still picture for the first sight is not it! Plus pictures of bare chests etc also looks like you're just a poseur and comes across as supremely arrogant or desperate.
From me to you x

thanks, good to know

Welcome, I look forward to hearing your opinion on some of the things we talk about.

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"No good deed goes unpunished" -Rick H

Thank you for the welcomes...I'm already on a thread another girl started...it's pretty interesting to me, but not sure if we'll end up going around in circles! I am in the middle of wondering, as i have said in that thread...are women and men more alike then some of us think?


I'm happy to input my thoughts and help if I can, but not sure if some guys will tell me to shut up and butt out! Ah well, it's not going to hurt my feelings if they do...I'm anonymous on here after all!

Good luck with the ladies

"OMG OMG OMG OMG YOUR A JOURNALIST!!!!!

COME TO TAKE ALL THE SECRETS OUT OF OUR SECRET SOCIETY AAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!"


It would seem that the above statement is obligatory for any women joining the forums. Some people get so damn suspicious!
I however, am not one of those people.
Have been reading quite a number of your posts and it is good to see an intelligent, open-minded lady joining us here.
It should make the forums quite interesting...
Nonetheless, you have my warm welcomes Redalicious.

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- Giacomo
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OMG OMG OMG ....... SHE SAID MY NAME!!!! ....what do i do..????

*looks at floor and backs into corner*



and..

Gia - that is very much piss funny. cause an exact same scenario happened in the melb lair a couple of months ago and everyone shat themselves about being uncovered. she wrote a big article in the Sydeney Herald outing the community...
There was threats, emergency meetings etc.. and now a couple of months later - nobody gives a fuck and things are normal... paranoids... hehe..

oh and red - welcome. i feel like already you and hugs have injected a much needed shot of energy into the forum when i feel it was getting stale of the older knobs just offering the same advice to the young knobs who are asking the same questions over and over and ove and.....

unfort you have made ticklers thread interesting when i was just trying to make it a piss take!!

if you have any thoughts, ideas, feelings or if you see an issue that needs to be addressed either from observing it in the forums or in the field - please start a new post in the correct area......

the 'im a girl...' thread has some great posts now (myspace, attire, peacocking etc) - they deserve their own threads..

cheers

ming

Well thank you so much, very nice postings to read boys, much appreciated. I am no journo, I can promise you that...I do work for a media company in London, a big one, but am not giving out more details than that lol!
And before anyone DOES get paranoid...trust me, this is NOT about work, I am not researching some show or news story...it's not my area of work and I wouldn't come 'undercover' like this about it!

I guess I'd come on and pretend to be a guy if I wanted to dig deeper...but it's all so open, it's not like there seems to be secrets that no one else in the world can access if they wanted to...the books are out there, the websites, the TV show (I hear), seminars, Youtube clips blah blah blah.

I will start new threads as suggested, I feel better replying to guys on here then just starting my own topics as it's not really for me to start it off I feel...lmao, god I sound like am out on the scene waiting for a guy to start the chat! How weird. But you know what I mean, I can try and help, but just when it's asked for seems better...

Most of you sound like you have alot of depth and really care about what you do (I'm not saying that in a surprised way), whatever the results, hence the word 'artist' in PUA.
I have now added some comments to the Online Sarging section and Mystery clip with a woman...plus started my own thread 'female of the species'...but everyone was more interested in Ticklers Thread lol!

Looking forward to more postings
Red x

Ok, now I feel stupid!
We're in my own thread right now aren't we? I lost the plot...too many threads going on and all being replied to (which is good to read).

OK...brain is back in, game on!
x

You seem much more mature than Tickler, so your input (as a female) could be valuable to this forum! So, Red, got a few quick questions for ya.

What do you think of guys that simply stare at you in venues (or scenes) rather than approach and initiate a conversation?

What’s your personal attraction switches? (What guys are you attracted to personality wise?)

What turns you off about certain men?

What topics of conversation do you enjoy talking about?

What’s the quickest way to get you into bed?

How would you rate yourself, HB8? (Show us a picture!)

Hello Stonecutter
Thanks for the response.
If I didn't sound more mature than Tickler I'd be seriously worried about myself (no offence Tickler) but she says she is 16....I'm almost 32...that's double her age lmao!

So, I think I bloody well should sound more mature than her lol
Otherwise I need help.

But thank you xx

In answer to your questions...I will do my best and can only comment on my own preferences and those I have talked to about this stuff:

1) I actually like being looked at in a club/bar etc..it helps if I find a guy attractive of course (doesn't have to be 'hot', I just have to find him attractive and that definitely doesn't mean perfect speciman of man... no way, I don't really trust guys who look like models, they don't have to work at it and know that, same with stunning girls!).
Having said this, staring all night is a bit freaky and intimidating, also looks like you're obsessed and not having a fun night with your mates. The occasional lingering looks may be a better way to put it...catching eye contact, looking away, the odd smiles, kind of builds up excitement and tension. However, you HAVE to end up by doing something about it.
Just staring all night is a waste of time, a tease and kinda pointless unless you plan on going to the same place again, knowing the girl will be there.

To summarise...no, don't just stand in a club staring at a girl you like all night. Do something about it or she'll lose interest and could think you're weird.

2) Personality wise...I go for these things first and foremost;
- Confidence (I personally find shy guys or insecure guys not so attractive as more than a friend, I like a guy to be masculine and happy in himself, although confidence is NOT the same as arrogance and I find arrogance a turn off unless you can laugh about being that way with a girl)
- Strength (emotionally I mean)
-Honesty
- Sense of humour (yes it really is true, girls love being made to laugh and feel happy!)
- Intelligence (show you have a brain, are aware of the world outside TV shows and your home area)
- Openess (being able to talk about stuff and not close down)
- Mutual respect (being on same level as equals, not thinking one of you is better than the other)
- Thoughtfulness/sensitivity (don't be a self obsessed pig! It's little things that can go a long way, if you say you're going to call, then call...otherwise just don't say it, stuff like that. Small thoughtful gestures or comments go a long way, asking how a girl's day was, remembering things she has told you, anything to show you aren't only interested in one thing with her).
- Mutual support, when she needs it, you give it, when you need it, she gives it.

That's the main stuff for personality I think.

3) My turn offs. OK, well again, this is JUST ME, no offence meant to anyone so please don't get upset or angry!
- Arrogance (unless a guy can laugh at himself and get you to laugh with him)
- Being stupid and ignorant (not if someone cannot help it, but by laziness)
- Laziness
- Selfishness
- being rude to others
- No manners
- Lying about important things
- Being shy
- Being an alcoholic/druggie etc
- Being abusive
- Being aggressive
- Violence
- Being immature
- Being TOO sensitive (it's a myth that all girls want a man who will cry with them! I know I do NOT want that, sensitivity is good, but being emotionally strong is good too).
- Being racist/homophobic/anti-semitic/offensive...you get the jist.
- Someone who moans about their lives but does nothing to change or improve it and is negative all the time/pessimistic


4) Topics I like to chat about...
- Unsurprisingly I imagine; men and women, relationships/flirting/online dating...find it an amusing and interesting subject to chat about
- What someone does for their work if they are into it (I like to hear someone liking their job and telling you about it...even better if they ask you back about yours, shows you are interested and not self obsessed).
-Their familes and childhood/past experiences
- Funny stories are good.

You know, this one is trickier because good conversation ends up flowing and you can talk about such random stuff, it may not even have official subject 'headings'! So I guess with this, I think it has to just flow and see where it leads.
Good conversation should be going both ways though...you talk, she listens, she talks, you listen.

5) Quickest way to get me to bed? Hmmmm...now THAT would be telling lmao...not sure I want to reveal that!

6) lmao...no way is a pic going up of me on here! And not because I am ugly (I'm told I am gorgeous in case you assumed the worst!)..but I don't think it's a good idea! No idea what my HB rating would be.
I am on Myspace but not sure I should reveal myself, too many of you out there! lol xx

Hope this is interesting reading whether it helps or not

Red x

You seem to have at least an understanding of the PU dynamics – you might want to consider being a wing for some guys… it’s great fun!

If you was in Birmingham (UK), I’d probably invite you to be my wing and teach you more. But, I, inevitably, end up in bed with my female wings…

Definitely carry on giving your views/opinions… it will certainly be beneficial to many guys!

And I thought I had a chance. Damn.

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- Giacomo
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Wing for guys great idea. Actually I am going to wing for a guy friend of mine this weekend. I plan to work the guys and he can work the girls and offering social proof for each other.

And Red, the turn ons and turn offs are absolutely 100% true.

In reference to the myspace - any pics of you with the glow of your monitor taken by a web cam, posing with your car or rims, or any shot of you that basically makes you look like a meat head is a turn off. I like pics on Myspace that show you have personality and are interesting. For god sakes smile, take your sunglasses off, let's get a good look at you. Put on a clean shirt and smile... PLEASE send an e-mail along with the friend request or just send the e-mail. I know a lot of people automatially delete the friend request because they don't actually know you. Mention something of interest on the page, ask a question about it or a vacation they may have mentioned on the page.

My favorite topic to discuss is travel. Ask a girl about her travel fantasy list where she would always like to go where she has been and why. Her top 10 if you will. It tells a lot about a person. It descibes if they are an adventure seeker, spontanious (could they just pack up and go for the weekend if given the resources) or beach bum and/or party person. It also opens the conversation to the future, fantasy, friends, hopes and dreams and excitement.
May find a similar destination or goal...

Excellent call edible. Travel sounds like a wonderful way to go. I will have to remember it.

Travel- Read Quirkology (by Richard Wiseman). They did a ton of experiments, and one of them was seeing what topic of conversation created the most attraction. Travel won, because it doesn't cause conflict, like films or other popular topics, where girls and guys usually have polarised opinions.