My situation:
"I have a bad case of one-itus for a girl with which I've been in the friendship zone for a long time. (also I have a girlfriend, yes, I know I'm a dick)"

What happened:
"I was gaming this girl best I could, I'm a beginner so it isn't perfect, but it went pretty good. Got some kino, her leg kept touching mine. But in our friend-circle there's this other guy who might be interested in her too.

He bashed a guy she found attractive, kept asking what it is she liked in a man, leaned in when he talked, flinched when he drank strong liquer, told her he didn't have a lot of money, agreed with everything she said, told her he had never gone on a date. And still toward the end of the evening she looked at him while touching her hair and walked next to him (no kino) when we all walked home. I know I might be reading too much into this, but as I said I have it bad for this girl"

My questions:
Does this girl like AFC behaviour? or is there something else at play?
Are there routines I could use to get the upperhand?
Is there a certain gameplan I should stick to?
How do I accelarate this to a kiss-close? Kino-routines?
Is the fact that I have a girlfriend and she knows it standing in the way?

I'd really appreciate some help,

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The guy was confident, you have been out gamed and are in the friendzone find someone else. If it is any constellation I used to love fucking with guys of higher value than me by taking the women. If you want to win her be unique

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I didn't think he was that confident, but it could be I was outgamed... maybe...

still that was just one night and there are plenty of those, how do I prevent that from happening again?

also the above questions still stand...

confident enough to show weakness, real men don't care what people think.

Other than that you have a girlfriend and these two people are your friends. Seems like shitting where you eat if you ask me, trying to cock block 2 friends and cheat on your gf in one foul swoop. Leave them to it and if you want to make a legitimate go of things or are jealous of your friend I suggest you think about your own relationship.

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Agree on Jaybots.. "real men dont care what people think"

think about it.. he lead the conversation with his apparent, AFCness... but he lead it... he seemd to give a damn about what she might think about him. He was Still leading conversation...

PLus... you didnt AMOG him.. so looks like you let him take over your frame, the girl's frame and his frame...

And he didnt even knew what was going on..

These are The plus points you gotta have when gaming.

Be the one who leads. Keep the conversation alive, even if you think that the stuff you say is AFC typical. Remember that you dont care what others think.

Be confident that youre the leader of the pack, if the guy shows up trying to make some small talk with your target remember that hes not ALPHA, you are, so AMOG HIM and show the group whos who.

plus, if you saw all that action happening between your target and the AFC.. means that you were paying him a lot of attention. Is that good or bad?

keep your frame stronger.. lead the conversation and the touching.
make your AFC competition, look even more AFC.... but at the same time you display more alpha-ness.


hope this helps man..! !...
game on !

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OUCH!! reading this even I think I'm a douchebag. Still I have thought about it and even though I have to break certain rules to do it, this girl is really special to me and I will have to find a way to overcome all I have against.
(want to note that the guy hitting on her is definatly not my friend).

You guys have some good tips about amoging him?

and also tips how to overcome the friendship zone?



(i know i ask a lot of questions, but I'm new at this)

Dude, I hate it when the girls like AFC's who do nothing special. What does AMOG stand for though? And ya Id just act really confident and show your better than him without looking like your trying to.

I'm not going to hate on you for cheating on your girlfriend. That's your decision.

What you may want to be concerned about, though, is social repercussions. You sleep with this girl, or even try to, and it may get back to your chick, which will cause a whole mess of problems that you probably don't want to deal with.

Once again, though, your decision. But I'd recommend against it on practical grounds.

As for how the other guy ended up doing well, it's probably because he got rapport with the girl. I don't necessarily know that she likes him, but it seems to me that a big reason he did well was because HE WAS THE ONLY ONE TALKING TO HER. Their conversation may or may not have been a "we're about to fuck" conversation. Same goes for the walk out, but he definitely got rapport. I don't know what you were doing after you "gamed her up," but he was talking and she was listening. Maybe he was friendzoned from the beginning, maybe not. But he was on the court, so he gets to take shots.

Don't try to AMOG this guy. You'll end up looking like a douche. He busts on you, either laugh or don't react. You really, really don't want to give the dude and the chick a common enemy. That's instant comfort right there.

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double agree on jaybots post.. now that you mention it. its really a situation where you should evaluate and consider, either breaking up with your actual GF so you can make your move with your new target. or just freshen up your relationship with her and move on.. heck that other target if you have a steady and happy relationship.... sometimes it only needs to fresh up, and not to end.


but if youre considering a new relationship altogether with the new target, not just to piick her up, try dating many other women, picking up lots of women anywhere you can, and i bet it will help you if you have the one-itis with that girl, and it will help you game her better.. or at least have a stronger inner game...

..TO red chris37

AMOG means.. ALPHA MALE OF GROUP...

in most comon situations, where you open.. lets say a mixed set, or maybe a set with just girls in it.... you open, then theres this guy.. you could imagine, for example a stronger, taller, better good looking guy... or just with better game than you have... it could even be another pUA...... a guy that is more talkative, more atractive, and interesting; one who knows how to create atraction ( wheter by his looks or his game).. he might not be all that.... but to the set.. that guy is the ALPHA male.... AMOGING.. means.. to prove that hes not as alpha as you are.. and to prove it before the eyes of your target and its set...

There are plenty of examples about amogs, and amoging around the forum ...

to sum things up, the AFC is the Amog, or at least hes proven to be one, cuz he catches your targets attention and he builds attraction towards him.... maybe hes just a plain AFC.. but theres no other ALPHA MALE to prove him AFC.... theres no OTHER ALPHA MAN to prove the target that the AFC is NOT THAT MUCH OF AN ALPHA....

So go out there, and AMOG HIM.. and most of all prove the girl youre the man.

Be honest to your previous relationship and make a desicion.. its also a man's thing to do things the right way.

GAME ON!

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Dont forget the rest of the story... How well will it go for that guy in the long run? Everyone likes to have their asses kissed once in a while. They get what they want, attention etc etc... But you are not gonna stick around such a loser.

AFCs often give away their power, like value vampires the HBs consume them and move on. The PUA drives by with the bloodbus just slow enough to get them chasing you...

Wanna know why this guy got the girls attention? He was honest and owned his weakness. He didn't try to run some routine on her. He just talked about honest stuff and let her know who he really was. He didn't put on some sort of false front that she could smell a mile away.

The only thing that would make this guy AFC, is the fact that he never went after what he wanted with her (or did he?). She clearly wanted him to or otherwise she wouldn't have been spending so much time with him.

Alpha Male Of Group

In the words of David D. "It's not the girl, It's the process"

The second you let go, the more things will fall into place

I'm in the same situation (two girls, one of which=girlfriend, the other of which has a boyfriend) For us both, we should probably get past the one-itis

One-itis...

an unhealthy infatuation. Your putting some weakness in yourself that could be made up for if you had a specific someone else validate you. Be sure this is what you have before using that word. If so, I would recommend breaking contact and re-evaluating inner game.

AFC...

I see nothing in your post that immediately qualifies him as AFC. Let's not confuse natural or above average with AFC because they don't know pickup theory.
Pecking is not that big of a deal. People peck. It's loud. You have no other way of communicating. Yeah you don't want to open immediately invading her space, and over the conversation you can perform certain steps to get her to peck you. But seeing a conversation happening and the guy pecks when he talks in no way makes him AFC. At this point, she WANTS him to peck!

flinched when he drank strong liquer

come on dude... next you'll say he backed down from a head butting competition?

told her he didn't have a lot of money

In no way absolutely matters. In fact, if said confidently, it can be a DHV. try it out and get a random girl to buy you a drink.

told her he had never gone on a date

First, how old are you? If you're college age (as in below 22ish) I know plenty of people of both sexes that don't go on dates. That means you hookup, hangout, and get in relationships. Kind of the norm nowadays. Although if he meant to imply he doesnt get alot of girls, that can be dlv, but if he's saying this confidently i can see it adding mystery to his persona.

Girlfriend...

Here's the tricky part. If she thinks you have no intentions of hooking up, doesnt want to be a homewrecker, knows your girlfriend, wants to keep her reputation, she'll put in you in the friendzone to rationalize not hooking up with you.

If you do run game on her that can be a *total dlv* in my experience. A high value male should be happy in his relationships, otherwise you would not be in them. If you're stuck in an unhappy relationship you appear needy, a low value person that needs to compensate by the thought of having someone attached to you. Plus it can be just downright creepy.

As far as AMOGGing, you might lose out. Cuz I don't think you can properly AMOG and directly game her without looking like the above situation. Plus, he has an easy chance to amog the shit out of you for having a girlfriend.

I would be more indirect, and i dont mean that indirect game opinion openers stuff. In a social gathering, you need to make it appear you have alot of women in your life. And you need to be able to display that by either pivots/pawns/friends/ or opening sets and getting them to hook. By doing that you can lose the awkwardness of her feeling she's hooking up with someone who's attached. When she comes to you, you can reciprocate IOIs, but I would keep it at general banter and flirtiness. Try to speak your intentions with your eyes, and non verbally. when the time is right to push her attraction switches more directly.

/sorry, im not a forum guru around here, came here for something else and got intrigued by this post. I've been in this situation alot and that seems to be what works for me. I'm also more fortheright with my ltr's, i recommend you do the same. It's not hard, and make's life so much easier.

Hey Everyone,

I just had a great night (nothing happened, but it still was fun).
We were out with all our friends again (including the girl I like, but also the guy I mentioned). I tried some of what you guys said, I took control of the conversation,
I lightly flirted, but not too much. I wasn't planning on amogging the guy. But because I kept the attention of the girl (while practicing push-pull), cut all his threads (smoothly I might add), he tried to amog me...

...anytime he did that, It felt like I was allowed to bust his balls, so I did. The girl was giving me a lot of IOI's, but I couldn't do anything with them, because my girlfriend was there (and because i'm scared shitless of the concequences, although i would be willing to break up).

The only other thing I was worried about was that I overdid the whole Cocky attitude. She kind of reacted offended when I told her she had to be carefull cause I eat little girls like her for breakfast. She said: "Your such a big dick" and i simply replied "I know..." after which she replied: "I'm not talking to you anymore". Which of course kind of gave me a challenge ;p. But still people shouldn't get offeded by your cocky behavior right?

Speaking of being offended: I'm noticing a lot of resistance of people who used to have higher status than me, they keep trying to get me down, which doesn't happen, but requires some energy too manage, is this normal?






Last but not least a small story of tonight which I loved:

We we're at a carnaval and there was this crazy ride which was like 50m tall and rotated f*in fast.
A friend: I would never ride that thing.
The GUY i dislike, trying to sound cool: Really? I would definatly ride it...
Me: Well lets go then...
The guy: It's probably expensive...
Me: You know what, I'll pay, money shouldn't get in the way of doing something fun...
The guy (less and less confident): Yeah, but there's also a line...
Me (laughing): Dude, you don't have to go if you don't want to...
Me: I'll check how long the line would take

(i walk up to the register, beautifull girl is behind it, I start a talk about if my tie would be allowed and start to joke around, she tells me its about 20 minutes)

Me: It's only 20 minutes, we easily have that much time..
Guy: Ok, have you bought tickets?
Me: No, not yet I didn't know if you were going to be a pussy.

We get in the cart, but have to sit on seprate sides and I get to sit next to two beautifull girls and actually talk them up while where 50 meters up in the air, laughing and having fun, while on the other side the guy is turning pale. Walk of the thing with two girls following, for me as a beginning PUA, great night.

I LOVED it and most of this was with everyone around, making it extra good. (I know this is a boring story, but i had a lot of fun)



Last question (hypothetically): Should i break up with my girlfriend before I try to escalate and risk rebound fear or should i wait until i escalated and then break up after ? (NOTE: I'm not sure if i would want to break up)