i tried the "would you like to kiss me" routine on two girls, and i was completely shot down by the first, to which i replied "i never said you could." the second girl said, "i don't know," then when i said lets find out, and moved in, she turned her head away and it was really awkward and stupid.

i got like 20 IOI's from each, so i don't know what i did wrong...

aight no offense man great job having the balls to do that, but the mystery method stuff is not always the best. personally when i try to kiss close, i dont do those lame lines (i think they're lame at least no offense to people who use them, i just am not good with them ). What my main technique when K-closing is the eyes, if you meet her eyes and she doesnt move them and she looks down at you lips a lot then thats the IOI screaming kiss me. And if not look at her then down at her lips and back up, im sure you'll get some body language off that

good luck man

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Do some research on how AFCadam K-closes, its complicated to explain but i use his all the time and its extremely effective without having any possibilities of making you look foolish

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sucks bro. it happened to me before also. I once got the responce "WHOAAAHHHH haha NO!!!" that one blew.
I found i needed to have more kino with her. Also i can agree, it really is ALL IN THE EYES.
In the least fruity way possible, gaze into her eyes and view her eyes are a crystal ball bursting to tell you ur future.

yea i think the eyes is the best give away for when to go for the kiss and if she turns away or says no or something like that respond with whoa you really killed the moment because then that puts the awkardness on her

If it's one thing I've ever had any amount of luck and natural skill at it's knowing when to kiss a girl. I've never had a girl turn her head or do anything awkward. That being said I'm probably a little more conservative with K closing.

I like the directness of Mystery's K close question, I think the trick is to ask it at the right time. There's a lot of factors that go into figuring out the "right time." Currently I am able to just feel when it's going to work, but I'll write down a list of things I think about in preparation for a K close.

1.) Am I ABSOLUTELY SURE this girl is into me? I think of a K close as one step above a number/date close and one step below "movie night." Most girls, especially the attractive ones, will not kiss you unless they are really into you. Most of the time I don't even attempt a K close without at least getting her number or the majority of the indicators below.

2.) Has kino escalation gone both ways? If she's not reciprocating kino she's probably not ready to kiss you.

3.) Are we somewhere she would find a kiss acceptable? If the girl has been giving you bad girl vibes all night she'll probably make out with you on the dance floor. If she's the more reserved type then she probably wants to be alone or at least away from her friends and other people.

4.) If I hold eye contact does she maintain it or look away? I think this is a really simple test in preparation for the K close. If there is a lull in the conversation and your holding eye contact without it being awkward (this usually involves a knowing smile) then she's probably ready for you to make a move.

Never be too forceful with a kiss unless the tension between the two of you is so great that it warrants one of those explosive "do me now" type make out sessions. Be deliberate, turn your head some, and try to feel the right time instead of relying on any one method of order in the guides. Hope this helps.

Breaker

Have you kino escalated on her? Is she comfortable with your touch?
I always make sure I am in good physical contact with her before I kiss. (hugging, arm around her, holding hand, etc.) I will also typically grab her face with my hand. She knows what's coming! I'll eye fuck her and go in without hesitation!

(I used to always bring up the kiss before I kissed a girl, but it wasn't always so successful, so I feel you. Now I never bring up that I am going to kiss her, but she knows its coming and isn't a surprise.)

In any case, just keep working at it and you'll find what works best for you! Good luck and good job on getting so far!