Hey,

After reading the effects of the seduction community on men, http://www.artofseductions.com/the-effe ... up-on-men/

I've come to the conclusion that if anything, natural game is great but if you don't have it then we're very fortunate to have techniques to build us up.

But seriously, if we didn't have a seduction community, what would we have done? Would we all become "naturals"... with no technique but an instinctive way of doing things?

I think that when guys are ready to get this area of their life handled.. they are ready. Back in the day they would go out and start screwing up until they got it... and these days they Google for information.

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If I hadn't found the seduction community I still wouldn't have kissed a girl since my last girlfriend like 5 n a half years ago.
It's taken me a while to get going but I am now beginning to see drastic changes in myself and my abilities with women. I believe that if I had not discovered this community I would never become a natural, I would have been alone until one day maybe I get lucky with some girl marry her etc and probably end up getting divorced.

Some may have became naturals of their own accord, but some of us like myself just needed/need that little push to get us on the path.

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"My toughest opponent is always myself"
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cool, well said. I think a lot of guys would agree.

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"I think that when guys are ready to get this area of their life handled.. they are ready. Back in the day they would go out and start screwing up until they got it... and these days they Google for information."

You must be in the heart of the area of the PUA community....around here its like skynet vs. humans. A lot of failures, a lot of casualties....few still stand up to progress onward, others take the beatings they receive from women and run into a corner and cry that females are unfair/or have underlying means. Life aint fair, get with the program.

Guys thinking girls only want money, only want bad guys, out to use you/get the best of you..and all it is is trash talk from them because some girl either A. Flaked out on them or B. Didnt vibe them....

They can google for information, to get answers...but its like cheating on homework, you can copy the answers but you dont honestly know the material for when the Test comes around...WTF good does that do you? Experience is what is key......and even then if your too thick headed to learn from your mistakes, that experience can be wasted. "UNTIL they got it" thats how nature intends for it to be worked out, but even then few learn anything.

If there was not a PUA community, everything would have to be instinctual/natural, guys would further pass on and learn techniques and methods from other fellow males. Well this is how most of us start anyways to begin with, and my god its really raw. Almost like listening to politicians talk, nothing but 99% speculation and 1% truth....a lot of dudes talk out of their ass and only know as much as they heard from the next guy....THE BEST..AND I MEAN...THE BEST advice ive ever heard from someone is to "Just do it, go for it, why not go for it etc."? Just words of confidence to get you amped up. Words to get the mindset but there's blanks to be filled......

"Nowadays, not many people go out and try new techniques in the club, preferring instead to use the stock lines and routines they pick up from the internet."
- thats their own damn fault for using stock lines....creatively owns

I think the community just enhances what you probably would have figured out eventually anyway. In my experiences about half the information ive discovered through the community is stuff I've always known, the other half is stuff I have immediately read and though "of course!".

Actually, there has been a small amount of b.s. too, the breakdown is probably like this:

45% duh, well of course
45% holy crap, that is totally going to work
10% that is just not true

The majority of people in the community are here because something went "wrong" earlier in their life. Whether it be their upbringing, first gf, sisters, mom, dad, bro, World of Warcraft, etc. The community (hopefully) gets them socially conditioned enough to get laid.

But there are those community guys who's only friends are other community guys and they dont have a social circle with girls at all. Those are the creeps.

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....and I'm one of those that no matter what, they can't help....just not confident enough (and for that matter've given up)


BUTTTTTTT.............I DO remember a time when I was in high school (senior year) I used to get numbers left, right, and centre.......though I don't know what the fuck happened after that.......such is life, I guess.

I agree with this so much.

When I first got into PU after reading "The Game"...I had been single and without a girl for aboout 2 years.

Slowly, I started to get things going...now I'm learning how to manage the girls I have.

Natural game is so big.

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If anything, the seduction community is only rising up and coming naturals and creating more and more alpha males. I mean yes there are tips for anyone, but is a natural not naturally going to be able to pick the techniques up quicker and thus progress faster? All the techniques and routines are just a way to feel comfortable doing what a natural does by himself, naturals will never die out because unlike some guys in the community they can still whip out something the girls never heard before and feel confident on the spot.

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The learning curve is just shorter becoz natural in our areas or schools
wouldn't even talk to the "Geeky or Nerdy, or whatever" kids in school
so how would you have ever learned? You would have settle or probably
already have settled for the first piece of ass that came your way and
felt like that was the best you could ever do and start the lifetime of
suckin up that would lead to her eventually cheating on you but with your
super low self-esteem deep in the toilet you probably wouldn't mind so
much because thats the best you would EVER do. Think about it? If we
had the internet back then how many of us would have shaped it up a
whole lot faster than now? Think of what a GREAT advantage this is for
the CURRENT generation and generations to come. In the future there
will be super sexy cool ass nerds!! Mwahhh!! Mmmmwwaaahhhhh!!!!!

My evil lil' plan is finally coming to fruition! Yes. Teach millions of horny
men how to lure women to their beds making the world a safer place
for all. Just much much smaller for the next generation.

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BE The Game!

You've got the wrong idea completely of what natural game is.

It's not even game.

- Charisma

The seduction community doesn't destroy natural game. If we had natural game we wouldn't be posting here in the first place cuz we'd be to busy having a consistent sex life and not even thinking about it....

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Now dont take this in a gay way, but the community is our support group. Its like AA or Rehab, people have a problem that they cant fix on thier own and they go seek help. Yeah the community may be creatin a bunch of drones that use the same crap on everyone out there, but it does do good as well. The community is around us to inspire, motivate and support us. If we didnt have this support net, how many of us would have given up hope long ago and just been a depressed virgin mess because no matter what they did, nothign worked. We need each other to keep things new and fresh and to help fight the war against the true naturals. Personally im sick of watchin some of the guys i know just get laid all over the place. Actually i think them getting the girls i want makes me more upset than me not gettin the ones i want. So boys and men alike, we need to stand strong to try and win this war.

By learning things the seduction community provides, and by applying those teachings successfully, you are, in fact, becoming a 'natural'.

You don't have the 'talent', but you've become 'skilled' enough to overcome that.

The end-state is the same: You're good with women.

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