Hey guys,
I really have a problem with getting the kiss close from a girl. I've always been a bit of a natural with meeting up woman and having social value.
I think it was on the top when i was around 16 en started clubbing. Most of the time it was very easy for me to pick up a girl and i kissed loads of girls.
Then i got a girlfriend for one and a half year and since then it's been really difficult for me to pick up girls. I F. 2 other girls after my girlfriend, but still find it hard to kiss one. I know i can but when I'm in the game i just don't get it. It feels like i've "lost it" if you know what I mean?
I find it easy to open and chat and get the girl interested, but it always feels like i screw it up at the kiss close.
Someone who can help me out?

Hey buddy =)

Kiss closing. Most people who have trouble kiss closing have trouble because they are *trying* to kiss. Kissing is not something you should be trying to do. Instead you should be trying to achieve the conditions that are conductive towards kissing. Then just let it happen.

So you need to:

1. get close
2. pump buying temperature
3. increase kino
4. reduce ASD.

1. GET CLOSE. This is all about logistics. Don't expect to be kissing the girl in her friends group, or in the middle of a street. Instead take her behind a back alley, in the disabled toilets, in your car or back to her place. Even find a couch in a quiet area. Then you can get close to her. There is no way you're gonna launch a space mission to her from the other side of the couch. Stay close. Similarly if standing, you have to progress from kino or teasing.

2. PUMP BT. This is where your conversational skills come in handy. You should be sexually framing everything. That is, put a sexual spin on ordinary conversation. Hold eye contact and give her the bedroom eyes. Check her out blatantly sometimes just to pump it. Get her talking about attraction and what makes her feel hot. Have her recall her favourite position in bed. Tease her about stuff. Flirt.

3. INCREASE KINO. Any excuse you get to touch her, do it. Use hugs (long, seductive ones), high fives where after high fiving her fingers 'fall' between hers and you hold hands for a bit - hold hands, cuddle, link arms, shake her shoulders, tease her, poke her, handshake her, spin her, dance with her, anything. When sitting down, slide your hand up her shoulder and dangle her ear rings a bit...then run your hand through her hair and say "I bet your hair smells good..." And move in close and smell it, brushing your lips close to her face.

4. REDUCE ASD. ASD is anti-slut defense. You need to reduce it so the girl doesn't feel like a slut in order to kiss you, despite her maybe wanting to. To do this you need to do a few things. One is offer plausible deniabiltiy - in order to isolate her in order to get close (1), give her a practical reason unrelated to kissing/sex. Example, "It's getting hot in here, let's take 5 mins outside." If it's a crowded club and she's away from her friends obviously you may not need to isolate. The next thing is take responsibility. Always be leading. If you make her submit to making the first move (which she will unlikely do anyway), she will feel like a slut. She needs to be able to 'blame you', although hopefully if your game is tight enough she will backward rationalise favourably. The last thing is just that. Backward rationalisation - you have to ensure this is good, and that she doesn't get buyer's remorse. So portray that you are a decent guy, you won't run away after sex, you have standards, you are clean/safe, and you remember her full name and her favourite colour.

One final note. JUST DO IT! Remember to make the ho say no. Just do it man. As soon as she's giving you those eyes, pinging kino, just grab her close, gaze into her eyes and move in for the kiss slowly. If she rejects she will just turn her cheek and you can take one step back and two forward again. JUST DO IT because she WILL KISS YOU BACK!!

Hope this helps, happy sarging buddy!

Very good post mate!

Learnt something new from that and brushed up on other areas.

Thanks.

this should be a sticky or something. good stuff mate!

Thanks mate, I'm definitly going to try it!
I will post when I tried this
Every point in your post feels logical but I think the most inportant thing for me is just to do it! Fuck yeah I'm an alpha I do whatever I want, like it or not bitch

I think a good way to go in for the kiss is to use kino moves that involve you getting close to her face. I was watching i think the first episode of the pickup artist 2 when mystery and matador went into the club and matador was giving the girl eskimo kisses with his nose which if your too scared to go in for the kiss right away doing something like eskimo kisses would allow you to get close and progress to the kiss easier. anybody else know of any type of moves like this??

yeah that's good advice.

It's all about the build up. And it's all about her body language. You can tell if it is on.

There are many closing routines. However, if it is on you should already know it. The kissing routines just help you to close without having to worry about getting slapped. And don't worry about gmiietting rejected, you will eventually mis-calibrate and get it wrong. But it is all learning/feedback.

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It's very easy to kiss close.

Obviously you need to get close. But you don't need to pump buying temperature. You don't need to increase kino and unless you are in fucking Iran you certainly don't need to worry about anti slut defence.

It is damn obvious when a girl is attracted to you. All you say is:
"so should we make out now?"

Sometimes the girl will actually have to leave earlier than I thought, in which case I pout and say: "aww, and we didn't even get to make out" And then "we can now really quickly if you want to"

Other times I actually do have to leave for whatever reason and I say "I have to go, but I should get your number (then get it) and then say, it's a pity we didn't get to make out"

Don't overthink it. You are a man. Demand a fucking kiss (not literally of course).

Good info here, I can get the attraction but the kiss close is definitely a sticking point.