yeah man

I'm not saying I won't go for a girl with a boyfriend; but I will be careful about utilizing high-end game on a girl in a serious relationship. Less than six months isn't serious. If she's qualifying how bad her relationship is to me, then it isn't serious.

But if I destroy her boyfriend's value and replace it with my own, I'm a dick.

Now your talking.... This is a really important part of the game , you , as a PUA , never forget your values , somethign is about getting laid and to see how good is your game , and another thing is to destryo a long term relationship just because your feeling horny. Think about it , Think what will you feel if your having a gf ( 8 months relationship) and then Mystery game your girl and he bangs her , how would you feel.

Just imagine. Make a picture of that.

"Respect for one another."

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does anyone have anymore boyfriend destroyers

Jaxin I am with you bro. Sometimes we do need a good boyfriend destroyer routine. But I don't think there's a specific routine you can run to make her come with you. I think of it in terms of very tight game and building attraction real fast real good. Just enough to make her wonder about you, let you call her (and not tell her BF), go visit her (and eventually k-close her) and stuff like that.

The closest thing I can think of as BF destroying routine is basically ignoring the thing, being cocky and funny and just get the girl's phone or something.

The use of pivots can be of inmense help in this issue I think.

good luck bro.

Pivots help, that's for sure. They add social proof and preselection qualities that help raise your value above that of the creature she's already attracted to. But Dorian's right, there really is no basic routine for killing the boyfriend short of NLP. And if you know NLP at all, changing her beliefs regarding her boyfriend shouldn't be all that difficult. It's a fairly simple belief change, maybe an emotional anchor to remind her how much she dislikes X quality about him later.

NLP is evil. Don't be evil. If you have to hypnotize her away from her boyfriend, you're just being a dick.

Boyfriend Destroyers
by Harmless

First of all, it's important to notice how she brings up her BF:

If it's early in the sarge and she says, "I have a BF," this does NOT mean that it's time to do BF destroyers. This means that you did NOT attract her and that she could even be LYING to you because she doesn't want to talk to you. So... if you get this too soon, then you need to deal with more fundamental game issues first.

If she waits until later in the sarge and brings it up reluctantly, like, "Oh, I'm kinda seeing someone," then you know you're IN.


THE ULTIMATE BF DESTROYER:

Ignore it. Don't make an issue of it. The first time she brings up her BF, don't say anything more than, "That's cute." Just keep gaming her. You can break this rule later when you learn to calibrate.

If she brings it up again, there are a few techniques I have that work REALLY well to make take her BF out of her mind and put YOU in his place. (Well, at least make her forget about him for long enough to go home with you.)

They're all based on a few basic principles. Basically, you want to create a VOID in her life by letting her see that her BF is not fulfilling her needs. Then you show her that you are precisely her-void-shaped and fucking you would make everything alright.


Remember these principles:

First, if you BASH her boyfriend, she will get DEFENSIVE and support him. You've just anchored good feelings towards her BF and BAD feelings towards you. Bad idea. This even happens if SHE starts bashing her BF and you AGREE with her.

Second, if you try to convince her that you are better than her BF, the same thing will happen.

Third, if you talk about how awesome her BF is and exaggerate it to impossible proportions and talk about how they are destined to be together forever, this will cause her to re-evaluate her BF in YOUR TERMS... and be disappointed.

Fourth, if you talk about how horrible a BF YOU would be, and why she would never want to date you, she will start to relate that to HER experience with HER boyfriend. It's sometimes also effective if you do this ironically, telling her how WONDERFUL you would be and then describing all your horrible traits as if they were ideal.

Fifth, use future adventures projection to have her imagining the two of you together. Use this HEAVILY. I cannot stress this enough.

Sixth, fractionate between a joking, tongue-in-cheek, "I'm just kidding" tone and serious, "Is he kidding?" tone depending on how into you she is and how attached she still is to her BF.

Seventh, use false disqualifiers a LOT. Make excuses for why you can't be with her, especially ones that disqualify yourself. It helps if they are blatantly weak excuses. My favorite is that my other girls take up too much of my time as it is. Use these right after Future Adventures Projection too.

Eighth, just pretend that the words "I have a boyfriend" have NO MEANING at all to you. Continue as if she never said it.

Ninth, she is destined to be yours and you both know it. There is no element of NEEDINESS here.


Combine these principles (and others that I've forgotten, and anything IN10SE would care to add) and you can create your own BF Destroying material on the fly. Here are some routines that I've created while talking to girls:

(This is from a sarge with a SHB who is "kinda seeing" the manager of a trendy downtown club)

Me: "You're a lesbian, aren't you!"
Her: "I'm not a lesbian! But... er... I am kinda seeing someone. He's about this tall, dark hair [starts describing the manager, who I had seen her eating dinner with after the clubs closed the previous night]"
Me: "Well, it's a good thing that I like him."
Her: "Why?"
Me: "Well, because otherwise I'd just steal you from him, take you to a desert island, and spend a week drinking rum, sun-bathing, and skinny-dipping with you. [I could have gone on with the future adventures projection, but I decided not to.] But that will never happen. So, tell me, how long have you been 'kinda seeing' him?"
Her: "Oh, just a few weeks now."
Me: "Wow, you know, just from the way your eyes are all bright and your skin is glowing, I can tell that you are totally in love with this guy. In fact, I predict that a year from now, you will be happily married with 1.5 kids and a white picket fence." [said very tongue in cheek]
Her: "I don't want to get married, and I certainly don't want kids right now! I'm an independent woman!"
Me: "Of course you are. But he's just so perfect for you! I bet he buys you flowers every day you see him. I'm sure that he is always a perfect gentleman and never even LOOKS at another girl while the two of you are together." [note: I had been blatantly gaming girls all night, right in front of her, and getting #s.]

Other stuff to do and a general structure:

She mentions her BF and starts qualifying him somehow ("Oh, he's so X. I love him so much"). You use this when you start a FUTURE ADVENTURES PROJECTION:

"So I suppose that since I like him and I don't want to hurt his feelings and everything, we will have to conduct our moonlit tryst secretly. He must never know of our clandestine meetings."

Then you build up her BF with:

"You know what? It sounds like you guys are totally in love. I can totally tell that he's the PERFECT guy for you and you will ALWAYS be together. In fact, I bet he'll propose to you soon and you'll get married and have kids and live in a nice house with a white picket fence. And you know, I just couldn't live with myself if I ruined the rest of your life with him because he is your PERFECT BOYFRIEND."

Then she starts bashing her own boyfriend ("Well, sometimes he's mean to me. Blah blah blah") and you say,

"Well, if I was your boyfriend, I wouldn't be like that at all. I would call you three times a day JUST to find out where you were and what you were doing and who you were with. I would get mad if you didn't call me EVERY day because I would love you SOOOOO much. I would go out drinking with the guys every weekend so you could have your personal space to do whatever it is that girls do... I don't know, cooking and cleaning and such. Oh, and I would forget all our anniversaries and break up with you on valentines day."

So, the idea is:

She mentions the BF,

You ignore it.

She mentions him again,

You start three threads going:

One is future adventures projections of you and her having sex. But you use imagery that she can fantasize about (If you don't know, go read a romance novel) and disqualify yourself. ("Yeah, but that will never happen.") This raises buying temp.

The second is a thread that describes him as the ideal boyfriend so his faults are amplified. This is a DHV.

The third is a thread that describes you as a horrible boyfriend. You can do it ironically if you want. Basically, it's a DLV and a false-disqualifier.


In fact, these anti-BF techniques work so well that I use them all the time on girls that are single too. I just start talking about past relationships or the ideal guy, etc, etc. Or I start future adventures projections about our illicit meetings, running away from the paparazzi in LA, getting pictures of us kissing in the National Enquirer, etc, etc.

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Good post XF. I hadn't thought of using false disqualifiers in boyfriend destruction; then again, I'm not forced to do it all that often. And I do the whole "Your boyfriend is perfect for you," thing, and hadn't even realized it's potential in destroying him. It's how I got Dancergirl to start disqualifying her own relationship to me. "Well, it's only been three weeks..."

I'd love to know where you find some of this stuff.

thanks XF i was going to post the same one!!

Credit: Ross Jeffries

SS: Boyfriend Destroyer - analysed
Many people have forgotten about the powers of SS, through NLP - a skilled SS can convey thoughts and images into the desired females mind that will have her desiring emotional and physical touches in 20 minutes:

Here i analyse Ross jeffries classic "Boyfriend Destroyer"

Pattern 1.

Ross Jeffries:

"You're sort of seeing someone? As you're only sort of seeing that image of him in your mind, notice what happens as that image gets smaller and darker only as fast as an image of you and me being together having lots of fun gets big and brighter right there in its place.

Now as you look at that picture right there, doesn't it seem like something you really want. Oh yea, in fact, doesn't it seem like something that's already happened and there's no point resisting it cause it's too late to do anything but smile that smile of deep satisfaction and know this is going to be incredible. Oh yea, great, so when can I pick you up?"
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Now -when you are saying this - you cannot just speak it - first you must beleive and feel in what you are saying, otherwise it will come off to the girl as nonsensical drivvle - you must be able to portray and picture of what the girl is saying and feed it back to her to put you on favourable terms - the key to this is Confidence and a projected deep voice

Beleive in what you are saying and she too will beleive

Of course these patterns are just templates -you can manipulate and change them to suit your situation and the way you feel.

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Pattern 2.

Ross Jeffries:

"Well, look I really enjoyed this, and I'd like to talk to you again sometime? Can I call you? You have a boyfriend?

Well, I have to admit I'm disappointed, I have to respect that you're in a relationship. But let me ask you a something. How surprised would you be to find yourself actually looking forward to spending a little time with me? I mean, maybe to the point where you could imagine us over coffee, laughing and having the best of time, and you starting to feel really comfortable with it? As you think about it like that, doesn't seem natural to meet like Monday or Tuesday for coffee?
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In this specific example - Jeffries is describing taking the girl on an emotional roller cosater -through different segments of this pattern - he evolves through different phases of physiological feelings and thoughts

Dreams, Guilt, Happiness, Comfort, Natural Feelings, Surprise but he always beleives and assumes that he will get the girl - not just through this pattern - but through all of his patterns.

He exudes confidence - it takes confidence and skill to reel off a pattern so that it is conveyed in a sense bearing way and does not come off as scripted or spoken without belief.

CONFIDENCE and BELIEF

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That was classic!

ooo lordy lord boys

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Never had to use a BF Destroyer, but i thought this might just work:


Mystery said that "horniness is not as powerful a motivator for women as jealousy."
When the lady says she's got a boyfriend, say that you have a girlfriend, and that she's wonderful.
After she's mentioned her BF, and you've mentioned your GF (fictional or not), continue gaming her, even flirt more overtly. Keep making her attracted to you, but every now and then mention, casually, your gf and how great she is. If she tries to follow that up with something about her bf cut her off with a new thread or a neg. You need to punish her for mentioning it.
This may make her jealous enough to forget her own bf for a night (or two! ) Again, I don't know if it works but if anyone tries it, let me know.

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boyfriends aren't stop signs, they are speed bumps

i had a situtation in the corporate xmas party where i'd slightly played boyfriend destroyer, she was married with 2 daughters. she was really into the conversation i had and didn't want to leave.

wife promises to leave after she finishes desert, which she already has.

husband - *winks and does eyes signals for her to leave*

wife - *winks back to say no*

me - *i laugh* - it's really cool when you have a morse code like that, he can be winking crazily 20 times and it'd be a short line like 'lets go home'.

wife - yeah we always do that
wife - (to husband) we'll go when i finish (which she practically has anyway, maybe she can lick her plate).

husband - *stands up to leave and talks to another group*

me to wife - it's really cool to have a needy husband; he could ask for back rubs, demand a beer, ask you to go and you'd do all those things. (i could play some more with "if i was him i'd get you to salve around for me more pretty much etc etc")

wife - *didn't know what to say*

me *i didn't continue b/f destroyer = bad karma*

she could have also defended herself which makes her husband look even worse. to which after so long i'd let her win, and ensure she relises the negatives of her husband.

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